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WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 07:56
by ALI
This was posted over on the current scene, but as many of us here never actually visit the place i thought it a good idea to open up a seperate discussion on it on our forum.



Dan Rafael, ESPN blog
The WBC and its president-for-life, Jose Sulaiman, are nothing more than a bunch of greedy bullies whose recent actions illustrate my longstanding assessment to a tee.

As for the bullying nature of the organization, the WBC seems to think it runs boxing and that it can call the shots -- that it can force any fighter in its rankings or a holder of one its titles to bow down and kiss the ring whenever Sulaiman snaps his greedy little fingers.

Recently, Sulaiman sent a letter via e-mail to unified junior welterweight titleholder Devon Alexander. Copied on the letter, which I got a copy of, were WBC executive Mauricio Sulaiman (Jose's son and chief excuse maker), Don King (Alexander's promoter), and Dana Jamison (King's top lieutenant).

Was it a letter congratulating Alexander on his outstanding knockout win against Juan Urango to unify titles March 6? No.

Was it a letter complimenting Alexander for being a role model, a credit to boxing and one of the most humble, respectful young men you will ever meet? Nope.

Instead it was a letter threatening Alexander's status as WBC 140-pound titleholder. Alexander's transgression? He had the audacity to say that he would like to face WBO titleholder Timothy Bradley Jr., whom many regard as the best junior welterweight in the world not named Devon Alexander.

In his letter, Sulaiman wrote, "I read today in the papers that you want to fight Timothy Bradley for the WBO championship. I appreciate the information and I kindly ask you to immediately present the resignation to the WBC championship, as it seems that our organization is not up to your stature as a boxer. The WBC green and gold belt has been the dream of many boxers in the world, but apparently it is not yours. I will be waiting for your resignation and may you have good luck in your fight."

Have you ever read something so arrogant and, frankly, delusional in your life? Let me see if I have this straight: Alexander, one of the finest fighters in the world, wants to fight another top fighter and Sulaiman takes offense? Let me tell you what I take offense to: that Sulaiman tarnishes boxing on almost a daily basis with his nonsense and by regularly forcing terrible mandatory fights and working against great matchups, like a Bradley-Alexander fight would be. Who the hell does he think he is?

Kevin Cunningham, Alexander's manager and underrated trainer, was about as stunned as I was when he read the garbage from Sulaiman.

"Devon is calling out Bradley because Bradley and Devon are considered the two best junior welterweights in the world and because that's the fight fans want to see to determine who is the best junior welterweight in the world," said Cunningham, who was disgusted by the letter and said Alexander has no intention of giving up his title.

If the WBC wants the belt back, it will have to strip Alexander and then prepare for a lawsuit. I actually hope the WBC goes for it and strips Alexander, because he would win his lawsuit and hopefully put the miserable organization out of business once and for all.

The Sulaimans did not respond to a request through their publicist for a comment.

"I've never heard of anything like this in my 45 years of living -- that a sanctioning body would want to strip its champion because he wants to fight of the best fighters out there," Cunningham said. "It's not like we are trying to avoid a mandatory. We have no problem making our mandatory when it is due. To get a letter like this is insane. How do you tell a guy to resign his title when he did nothing wrong? This sanctioning body is asking the kid to resign his title because he said he wants to fight the best guys out there? Are you [expletive] kidding me?"

I wish Sulaiman was.

Now onto the topic of the WBC's blatant and unending greed. I laughed out loud when I read a missive from Sulaiman expressing "concern" for the way sanctioning bodies use interim titles "when they should be used strictly when a champion leaves a title inactive for medical or legal problems."

The WBC, of course, is historically the worst offender in the business this side of the WBA when it comes to approving interim belts for no apparent reason. However, Sulaiman forgot to mention that he is responsible for the WBC's insane reliance on interim belts as a revenue stream.

In any event, Sulaiman said he would recommend to his puppet group of WBC governors at the annual convention in November that they institute the WBC "silver title," which would be a "substitution of an interim championship that does not represent a real title, when it is approved only for a fight without real significance."

In other words, every fight should have some dumb belt attached to it because he thinks it somehow helps the sport. Of course, the real reason is so Sulaiman can use the fees to line the WBC coffers and his own bank account because there are too many promoters, managers and fighters out there who want to keep Sulaiman happy, so they go along with what is, in essence, extortion.

I loved how Sulaiman tried to justify the invention of another bogus title by saying "ways must be found to keep the interest of boxing fans in the world, who are depending on reform that the WBC has been doing for three decades."

What an absolute joke. The WBC, with so many reprehensible rulings, worthless forced mandatory fights and numerous approved mismatches, is responsible for much of boxing's downfall over the past two decades. Adding a silver belt, like it tried to add the diamond belt for catch weight fights, is more of the same old money grab.

Here's an idea for Sulaiman, one which I will give him for free and not charge a sanction fee: How about he strip Alexander, offer him a silver belt replacement and then crawl under a rock.

I feel sick, real sick after reading that. Something must be done to eradicate these disgusting, pathetic, sanctioning bodies out of our sport once and for all. They are as corrupt as corrupt can be and bring nothing but shame on our sport when the true facts are laid bare!

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 08:24
by The_Don1
absolute joke isn't it...to think some people still regard the WBC to be the most prestigious belt out there, they're no different than the other organisations.

Also checking their rankings, they have Bernad Hopkins down as WBC Emeritus light heavy champion, what the hell is all that about? It's not like he's taken a huge break like Vitali to even merit such a title.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 08:24
by Lenny
Just been reading it over there, including the information on their new silver belt.
One of the many, many things totally wrong with boxing. You would think nobody would have any complaints with the way Alexander looks to be going about his business but of course old Jose does

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 08:28
by stujones
Well sadly Ali, Cunnigham is wrong that it is not uncommon. In his 45 years in boxing he has surely seen/heard of similar decision. You only have to look at Tim Bradley himself - forced to ditch the WBC belt he won so brilliantly away from home against Junior Witter.

I don't know if Bradley had a similar letter....... the tone of which was disgusting - but had a similar decision made. He chose to fight one of the best Light Welters out there and got stripped in the process.

I wonder if it is because it is Bradley why Sulliman has written such a nasty letter to Alexander.

It is whats wrong with boxing - but sadly, its not the first and it won't be the last.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 08:31
by Baboon
How dare Devon Alexander try to fight the best out there. I would much rather he took on no 1 contender, the mighty Ionut Dan Ion....but only if Ionut can battle his way past that household name Andre Marcos Nascimento first........

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 08:35
by MrBoxingUK2
i can't believe what im reading. the wbc are a joke

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 08:39
by Rocky Balboa
I think its time Jose Suliman stepped down! Things like this are what's killing the sport & more importantly, making us, the fans, suffer by not seeing the best fight the best!

Alexander should dump that green belt in the bin ala Riddick Bowe & fight Bradley! Titles are less significent these days anyway.

If/When we get to see Pacquiao vs Mayweather & if there happens to be NO title at stake, would that turn people off the match or make it any less of a spectacle, an event? No, it would not!

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 08:41
by The_Don1
stujones wrote:Well sadly Ali, Cunnigham is wrong that it is not uncommon. In his 45 years in boxing he has surely seen/heard of similar decision. You only have to look at Tim Bradley himself - forced to ditch the WBC belt he won so brilliantly away from home against Junior Witter.

I don't know if Bradley had a similar letter....... the tone of which was disgusting - but had a similar decision made. He chose to fight one of the best Light Welters out there and got stripped in the process.

I wonder if it is because it is Bradley why Sulliman has written such a nasty letter to Alexander.

It is whats wrong with boxing - but sadly, its not the first and it won't be the last.
The difference with Bradley is that he had to ditch the belt because he would not face his mandatory at the time (which ironically was Alexander) because Showtime were not interested in the fight. Therefore the reason for Bradley vacating/being stripped was a valid one.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 08:43
by The_Don1
Baboon wrote:How dare Devon Alexander try to fight the best out there. I would much rather he took on no 1 contender, the mighty Ionut Dan Ion....but only if Ionut can battle his way past that household name Andre Marcos Nascimento first........
Ah yes Mr Ion, the WBC Continental Americas light welterweight champion...from Romania

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 09:44
by 15829
belts arnt important anymore, everyone knows who the best fighter is in each divison regardless of who the champiopns are

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 10:01
by m1kee50
diggler wrote:belts arnt important anymore, everyone knows who the best fighter is in each divison regardless of who the champiopns are
Exactly.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 10:04
by DIRT SUGAR
Well you'd expect alot better from the WBC wouldn't you? :roll:

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 10:05
by DIRT SUGAR
Surely Carl Froch should have been sent a similar letter for having the audacity to fight in the Super Six then?

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 10:08
by 15829
DIRT SUGAR wrote:Surely Carl Froch should have been sent a similar letter for having the audacity to fight in the Super Six then?

you'd think so but am sure the super 6 brings alot of money

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 13:10
by Kilburn
To me the belts have become less and less significant over the years. If I hadn't happened to see the SKY advert I wouldn't have even considered whether Mayweather v Mosely was for a belt. It's a semi-final. End of.

I wish the couple of hundred belt holders connected with these organisations would all get together and frisbee the lot off a cliff.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 13:33
by whiskey
The WBC title is the most prestigious 'belt' for me.

However, the organisation behind that belt is right up there with the shitty IBF in terms of outrageousness.

2 things to make of this - the WBC's hatred for the WBO (especially as Bradley dumped the WBC for the WBO title) and their total lack of respect for Devon Alexander.

I'm especially surprised as Suliaman & King have been in cahoots for years - and King manage's Devon.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 13:48
by hitman_hatton1
shameful.

and people are still bothered about these self serving arseholes. :roll:

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 13:57
by glahn
Alexander should go on TV and throw the belt in the bin, Riddick Bowe style. Then fight Bradley.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 15:21
by dondada
It's good to see everything I've been banging on about for years out there plain and simple.

The boards are ALL terrible and the proliferation of them is THE SINGLE WORST AND MOST DAMAGING thing to the sport.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 16:08
by dondada
There's a rather embarrassing exchange of letters between Alexander and Sulaiman over at Boxing Scene.

I'd be surprised if Alexander gave permission for his to be published but you never know.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 16:59
by stujones
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:It's good to see everything I've been banging on about for years out there plain and simple.

The boards are ALL terrible and the proliferation of them is THE SINGLE WORST AND MOST DAMAGING thing to the sport.
Yep, I still maintain having more than one champion can be a good thing. E.g. Alexander vs Bradley unification means so much more now (if it happend) than Alexander fighting Bradley as his number 1 contender.

However, it is completely pointless if they cannot work together in any capacity.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 09 Apr 2010, 17:27
by terminator
Apparently, Alexander will be fighting Kotelnik next

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 10 Apr 2010, 07:25
by ALI
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:There's a rather embarrassing exchange of letters between Alexander and Sulaiman over at Boxing Scene.
I've just had a read of those now.

Its an embarressment to boxing that boxers are being forced into this sort of pandering to the sanctioning bodies. The whole game is clearly corrupt, our sport is just a platform for these organisations to make money.

How do we get rid of them, thats the question?

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 10 Apr 2010, 10:16
by stujones
WBC are not treating Ray Austin much better. Okay, personally don't want him near a world title fight again - but he has won a series of decent fights and kind of earned his #1 ranking. Now, for some bizarre reason he's been eliminated from the WBC rankings and there is going to be an eliminator which will not include him.

He plans to sue.

Re: WBC bullies trying to shaft Alexander

Posted: 10 Apr 2010, 10:27
by whiskey
stujones wrote:WBC are not treating Ray Austin much better. Okay, personally don't want him near a world title fight again - but he has won a series of decent fights and kind of earned his #1 ranking. Now, for some bizarre reason he's been eliminated from the WBC rankings and there is going to be an eliminator which will not include him.

He plans to sue.
That does suck.

Why have a 'ranking system' when it's manipulated like that ?