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gambler49 wrote:Jack Johnson 12 rounds Lewis SD 15+ Johnson
Gene Tunney = Lewis MD
Jersey Joe Walcott = Lewis TKO 12
Ezzard Charles = Lewis TKO 11
Floyd Patterson = Lewis KO 7
George Foreman = Foreman KO 8
Archie Moore = Lewis KO 8
Joe Louis = Louis KO 9
Joe Frazier = Frazier TKO 11
Larry Holmes = Holmes MD
Muhammad Ali = Ali UD

dempseyfire wrote:He loses to Johnson, Ali, Holmes by decision amd Foreman Louis, and Frazier by KO.

Beats Tunney, Patterson and Moore.

I could see him and Walcott splitting fights. Ditto with Charles. I see the trouble a past-it Evander gave Lewis and I think Charles and Walcott at their best could definitely beat him via smart in and out boxing, sharp counters and movement. But Lewis could also turn the tide with one big right hand or uppercut at any time.

ThatOne wrote: Jack Johnson - Lewis by KO3, clubbed JJ into submission.
Gene Tunney - Lewis KO2, power punching breaks Tunney in half.
Jersey Joe Walcott - Lewis KO5, finds it hard to land early on, but his uppercut catches Joe.
Ezzard Charles - Lewis KO2, Too big and strong.
Floyd Patterson - Lewis KO8, Floyd fights well, but; is overwhelmed by Lewis' strength.
George Foreman - Foreman by KO9, Lewis wins early rounds, but; gets complacent drops hands and bang!
Archie Moore - Lewis KO4, too big and powerful.
Joe Louis - Lewis KO6, he'll find it hard to land as Louis goes runs early on.
Joe Frazier - Lewis TKO10, Lewis shows good variety, his height saves him from Frazier's left hook.
Larry Holmes - Larry TKO11, Lewis' eye close because of the jab, but; Larry hits the deck but fires back hard.
Muhammad Ali - Ali UD12, Lewis is tormented all night, Ali does everything right.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:He loses to Johnson, Ali, Holmes by decision amd Foreman Louis, and Frazier by KO.

Beats Tunney, Patterson and Moore.

I could see him and Walcott splitting fights. Ditto with Charles. I see the trouble a past-it Evander gave Lewis and I think Charles and Walcott at their best could definitely beat him via smart in and out boxing, sharp counters and movement. But Lewis could also turn the tide with one big right hand or uppercut at any time.

At the same time, Lewis completely shellacked that same Holyfield (past his best, I know), so that one swings both ways...

Goodnight, Irene wrote:At 10-1-1 for Lewis, I would.

dempseyfire wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:At 10-1-1 for Lewis, I would.

I had it 7-4-1. Even the British commentators had it 8-4. Not an impressive night for either fighter IMO. The extent of the 'robbery' the fight was is completly blown out of proportion.

Can see that some of the Brits and Aussies here are over-rating Lennox a little here. Holmes never beat anyone as good as Lewis? Who the hell did Lennox beat who was as good as Holmes? And please don't say a shot, overweight, overly medicated Mike Tyson.

dempseyfire wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:At 10-1-1 for Lewis, I would.

I had it 7-4-1. Even the British commentators had it 8-4. Not an impressive night for either fighter IMO. The extent of the 'robbery' the fight was is completly blown out of proportion.

Can see that some of the Brits and Aussies here are over-rating Lennox a little here. Holmes never beat anyone as good as Lewis? Who the hell did Lennox beat who was as good as Holmes? And please don't say a shot, overweight, overly medicated Mike Tyson.

Klee Gluckman wrote:Lewis can win all of these fights, he'd lose two of them, but I can't say which he could beat Ali, he would do it at 1 out of 3. He could beat Holmes who never beat anyone as good as Lewis. Tough calls here.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If Lewis would have fought aggressively Evander would have put him on his ass. Everytime he really pressed in those 24 rds he got the worst of it. Lennox fought very smart in those fights, boring as hell. But he could never win a firefight with Holyfield and he knew it.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Klee Gluckman wrote:Lewis can win all of these fights, he'd lose two of them, but I can't say which he could beat Ali, he would do it at 1 out of 3. He could beat Holmes who never beat anyone as good as Lewis. Tough calls here.

He couldn't beat Foreman imo.

jezzamundo wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If Lewis would have fought aggressively Evander would have put him on his ass. Everytime he really pressed in those 24 rds he got the worst of it. Lennox fought very smart in those fights, boring as hell. But he could never win a firefight with Holyfield and he knew it.

Not out-and-out aggressively, but more aggressively than he did in the first fight. I'll agree, no way does Lennox survive a war with Evander like Bowe did, but particularly in the first fight, considering how poorly Holyfield was performing, Lennox should have stepped it up. Holyfield was much better in the rematch (the last glimpse of a great fighter, he only went downhill from there), Lewis was perhaps a little more aggressive than in the first and did get hurt in the middle rounds. One thing that Lewis had going for him against Holyfield is that Holyfield was not a huge puncher and his best punch, the left hook, was a punch that Lewis was good at blocking. I rate Lewis a little higher than most on this forum do (generally #7 or #8 of all-time) but I do believe he underperformed in both Holyfield fights.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Evander would have put him on his ass. Everytime he really pressed in those 24 rds he got the worst of it.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Lewis, IMO, too slow to get out of the way of a prime (& primed) Foreman, & it's a given Foreman's punches would fold him like an accordian.

Lewis had the smarts, style & mind-set to trouble someone like Foreman, but, at 6'5" & a whopping 245lbs (20-25lbs. heavier than even the peak Foreman), he's just too sluggish. Sooner or later, Foreman would connect. First round, second, third, fourth, wherever --- you can't beat Foreman with just the ideology of a Matador. You need his agility as well.