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ur thoughts on the Pittsburgh Windmill
Posted: 17 Apr 2010, 15:17
by gambler49
261 wins 20 losses 18 draws
To realy judge this great fighter you hav2 spend a lot of time reading and going through his AMAZING record. Personaly I hav spent many many hours doing this. If you don't know so much about Greb then check him out. He could easily be the greatest p4p fighter to ever step in the ring. Unfortunatly there is hardly any footage of him to watch. However what I hav seen he looks very fast and agresive. But realy to understand his greatness you need to go through his record.
Agree or disagree??
What is ur opinion?
Re: ur thoughts on the Pittsburgh Windmill
Posted: 17 Apr 2010, 17:44
by Goodnight, Irene
gambler49 wrote:261 wins 20 losses 18 draws
To realy judge this great fighter you hav2 spend a lot of time reading and going through his AMAZING record. Personaly I hav spent many many hours doing this. If you don't know so much about Greb then check him out. He could easily be the greatest p4p fighter to ever step in the ring. Unfortunatly there is hardly any footage of him to watch. However what I hav seen he looks very fast and agresive. But realy to understand his greatness you need to go through his record.
Agree or disagree??
What is ur opinion?
I doubt there is
any, "understanding" this man's greatness, in much the same way we cannot understand a Tyrannosaurus Rex. All we have is a Boxing fossil, here --- one which plainly indicates to us, beyond argument, that this man was a monster --- among the rarest of rare pugilistic breeds. It is a
tragedy that a fighter with his record cannot be witnessed by us all --- I can think of a hundred excellent, deserving HOFers I would trade all footage of for a working library of Greb's battles. He must have been an absolutely epic warrior.
I used to rank Monzon as my all-time #1 Middle, but I eventually relented to Greb's inexorable resume. He's the greatest 160lber there ever was.
Re: ur thoughts on the Pittsburgh Windmill
Posted: 17 Apr 2010, 18:47
by gambler49
Goodnight, Irene wrote:gambler49 wrote:261 wins 20 losses 18 draws
To realy judge this great fighter you hav2 spend a lot of time reading and going through his AMAZING record. Personaly I hav spent many many hours doing this. If you don't know so much about Greb then check him out. He could easily be the greatest p4p fighter to ever step in the ring. Unfortunatly there is hardly any footage of him to watch. However what I hav seen he looks very fast and agresive. But realy to understand his greatness you need to go through his record.
Agree or disagree??
What is ur opinion?
I doubt there is
any, "understanding" this man's greatness, in much the same way we cannot understand a Tyrannosaurus Rex. All we have is a Boxing fossil, here --- one which plainly indicates to us, beyond argument, that this man was a monster --- among the rarest of rare pugilistic breeds. It is a
tragedy that a fighter with his record cannot be witnessed by us all --- I can think of a hundred excellent, deserving HOFers I would trade all footage of for a working library of Greb's battles. He must have been an absolutely epic warrior.
I used to rank Monzon as my all-time #1 Middle, but I eventually relented to Greb's inexorable resume. He's the greatest 160lber there ever was.
If there ever was a man I could sit down wiv for dinner it would be Greb, cos he got in the ring wiv so many great legends and beat them. Loughran, Tunney, Flowers, Walker, Gibbons and many others and some of those guys where much bigger then him.
Re: ur thoughts on the Pittsburgh Windmill
Posted: 17 Apr 2010, 19:37
by BoxBuzz
I think the record is amazing, So is Maxie Rosenbloom's. But how do you factor them? There is no visual. One was reported to be a monster of straight come forward guy, and the other just the opposite. All counterpuncher and sidestepper. Both apparently had herculean endurance and granite chins. A fight between them might go on for days. Neither ever seen on film apparently.
Re: ur thoughts on the Pittsburgh Windmill
Posted: 17 Apr 2010, 19:52
by gambler49
BoxBuzz wrote:I think the record is amazing, So is Maxie Rosenbloom's. But how do you factor them? There is no visual. One was reported to be a monster of straight come forward guy, and the other just the opposite. All counterpuncher and sidestepper. Both apparently had herculean endurance and granite chins. A fight between them might go on for days. Neither ever seen on film apparently.
But. There is alot of footage of his oppenents. The evidence is there for you to work out.
Re: ur thoughts on the Pittsburgh Windmill
Posted: 18 Apr 2010, 09:01
by enrique
Based on his record alone he might have been the greatest or at least one of the top five pound per pound greatest ever.
Re: ur thoughts on the Pittsburgh Windmill
Posted: 18 Apr 2010, 16:19
by Ambling Alp
He has to be top 10; and you could make a decent arguement for him being #1.
Lets face it how many fighters have people seen the majority of their fights? Often we see a fighter once or twice on Youtube or something and assume that is a typical fight of his when it might be far above or below his typical performance.