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Does what it says on the tin.... how you define cut short is part of the fun...

So for example - and I'm just messing about by way of illustration, I'll do a proper one once I've thought about it.

1. Harry Simon
2. Ibeabuchi
3. Valero
4. Liston
5. Rubin Carter

Off the top of my head

1. Villa
2. Sanchez
3. Ketchel
4. Sands
5. Pryor

Of course, Ibeabuchi. Again

Harry Greb
Tiger Flowers
Marcel Cerdan
Battling Siki

Expug wrote:Harry Greb
Tiger Flowers
Marcel Cerdan
Battling Siki

We don't need mugs like that when we have a living legend who went 20-0-0, defeating top-ten all-timers such as Byrd & Tua. Wake upto yourself, man!

MatthewS wrote:Does what it says on the tin.... how you define cut short is part of the fun...

So for example - and I'm just messing about by way of illustration, I'll do a proper one once I've thought about it.

1. Harry Simon
2. Ibeabuchi
3. Valero
4. Liston
5. Rubin Carter

Liston was 38 and already well on the way down when he bit the dust. Carter was 29-12, had lost three of his last five when he was incarcerated and, IMO, is a bit overrated because of his circumstances and celebrity. A good fighter, but nowhere near a great one.

- Ketchel, Cerdan and Villa were great champions who died too soon
- Sanchez twice pounded Danny Lopez and KO'd the legendary Wilfredo Gomez before his untimely death. Astonishing to think how much he accomplished in so little time
- Pryor is another good choice, a superstar who got effed up by drugs
- Another, lesser known problem child was Argentine boxer Ublado Sacco, who butchered Gene Hatcher for a share of the light welterweight crown in the 1980s, lost the title on a questionable decision in Italy and couldn't beat his drug problems. Dude was a superb boxer with a 47-4 record who was gone from the game at 30 and dead about a decade later.
- One unconventional name I'd add is Carlos Zarate. He quit boxing at 28, with a 54-2 record after they stole the bantamweight title from him and gave it to Lupe Pintor. He came back nearly seven years later, but by then he was a shadow of his once-great self

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Expug wrote:Harry Greb
Tiger Flowers
Marcel Cerdan
Battling Siki

We don't need mugs like that when we have a living legend who went 20-0-0, defeating top-ten all-timers such as Byrd & Tua. Wake upto yourself, man!

Gypsy Joe Harris
Bummy Davis.

Neither were all time great, but definitely entertaining fighters that would have been good to have around awhile longer.

He wouldn't make the list, and his brief pro career started off pretty rocky, but it would've been interesting to see if Ed Sanders could've gotten on track and faced some of the HW contenders of the 60s.

Masao Ohba. Won the WBA Flyweight Championship and successfully defended it 5 times before his untimely death at 23. Defeated Fritz Chervet, Betulio Gonzalez, Susumu Hangata, and Chartchai Chionoi.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Of course, Ibeabuchi. Again

I did say by way of illustration.

Sanchez is a great shout.

giacomino wrote:

MatthewS wrote:Does what it says on the tin.... how you define cut short is part of the fun...

So for example - and I'm just messing about by way of illustration, I'll do a proper one once I've thought about it.

1. Harry Simon
2. Ibeabuchi
3. Valero
4. Liston
5. Rubin Carter

Liston was 38 and already well on the way down when he bit the dust. Carter was 29-12, had lost three of his last five when he was incarcerated and, IMO, is a bit overrated because of his circumstances and celebrity. A good fighter, but nowhere near a great one.

- Ketchel, Cerdan and Villa were great champions who died too soon
- Sanchez twice pounded Danny Lopez and KO'd the legendary Wilfredo Gomez before his untimely death. Astonishing to think how much he accomplished in so little time
- Pryor is another good choice, a superstar who got effed up by drugs
- Another, lesser known problem child was Argentine boxer Ublado Sacco, who butchered Gene Hatcher for a share of the light welterweight crown in the 1980s, lost the title on a questionable decision in Italy and couldn't beat his drug problems. Dude was a superb boxer with a 47-4 record who was gone from the game at 30 and dead about a decade later.
- One unconventional name I'd add is Carlos Zarate. He quit boxing at 28, with a 54-2 record after they stole the bantamweight title from him and gave it to Lupe Pintor. He came back nearly seven years later, but by then he was a shadow of his once-great self

As I said - by way of illustration, I just pulled some names off the top of my head.

Can't believe nobody included Tony Ayala. He could've accomplished big things if he was right in the head.

I also want to include Sweat Pea Whitaker. I know it's wierd becuase he accomplished so much and was an All-Time Great but I think he would've been even better if not for his drug problems. The guy was absolutely dominant during his prime but he started his decline in his early 30's due to substance abuse. The Wilfredo Rivera fights were the beginning of the end for Pernell even though he deserves credit for his gutsy come from behind win against Hurtado and gallant effort in a controversial loss to a prime DLH.

Mike Tyson kind of fits here too IMO. I think he had the tools to become the best heavyweight of all time but his career took a downward spiral after the death of his mentor Cus D'mato. He won on pure talent alone for years until he met Buster Douglas.

Two fighters whose careers were ended in 1990s SMw fights - Gerald McClellan and Michael Watson. A lots already been said about McClellan, but Watson would have definitely gone onto world honours if he hadnt been cut down in his prime.

dr_devious wrote:Two fighters whose careers were ended in 1990s SMw fights - Gerald McClellan and Michael Watson. A lots already been said about McClellan, but Watson would have definitely gone onto world honours if he hadnt been cut down in his prime.

Good call...I'd have liked to have seen these two get it on.

Ty Everett, Luther McCarthy.

Wonder how much young talent perished during WWI, WWII, Korea, 'Nam?

Les Darcy?

No love for Laszlo Papp?

Donalf Curry .Managerial problems and weight making and a substance problem shortened his physical capabilities by age 25

With his talent and all round skills he really should have reached his peak in the late 80's and had superfights with the haglers,leonards, Hearns etc

Instead he got kayoed by mike mccallum in a fight he was controlling, and as a shell ended up taking beatings from terry norris and michael nunn, two other similar underachievers whose careers at the top were short due to various problems.