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Boxing today more than ever before is a business and making money has become the number one priority for all.This agruement can be used to justify why many decisions are made in the sport I love.

Or can it?

I was frustrated by Mundine not fighting anyone that could test him and when he did he got beat but I still believed that he had the ability if not the belief in himself to be a true world champion, sadly he only looks for ridiculously easy marks and seems to have no interes in his legacy, but more in making money. I cant remember the last Mundine fight I purchased.

Now Green, he won our hearts when he got ripped off in Germany, but what has he done since he left Fenech ?
Nothing of note, he KOed RJJ ... so what. he KOes Manny ... so what.
To me Green and Mundine are now the same both milking the sport for all they can make $$$$, good for them, bad for me as a fan. Obviously these two have no regard for their legacy, looking for easy meaningless wins.

All well and good for them, but please no one should consider either of them "great"" - do you think either of them will be inducted into the INternational Boxing Hall of Fame ? I doubt either will ever be considered.

Now Fenech, we didnt appreciate him enough, once he was established he looked for the biggest names and tougest Champions to carve out his legacy, he could have called out a lesser Champion on his quest than Nelson, but not our Jeff he went for the best, beat the best to prove he was the BEST.
IIn my opinion neither Green nor Mundine should EVER EVER be mentioned in the same sentance as our greatest fighter. JEFF FENECH.

jUST HAD TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST

there is no question as to who is the more accomplished fighter.

i feel that if green and mundine were to fight only the best they can, that green would have been more successful. but because of how much cash they make without having to fight the best, i don't see them changing their ways too much.

I was disappointed in jeffs quest for titles, no doubt a great fighter IMO but he could have united the featherweight division. Maybe his brittle hands were always going to prevent him from dominating a division for a long time

What about Jeff Harding? Take nothing away from Jeff Fenech, a sensation in the ring and worthy genuine world champ. But after Fenech, when people start listing other local champs in comparison to Fenech as greatet Aussies of our generation, Harding, as always gets over looked. Why does every one forget about a true world champion, fighting the hard fights during an incredibly tough era of his weight division whilst living in Fenechs shadows?

Paul Ferreri for me.

Charlie Liparota wrote:Paul Ferreri for me.

Nice one, turned into a good trainer as well.

Paul was the man to beat for many years.

12 rounds with Carlos at his peak!

Charlie Liparota wrote:Paul was the man to beat for many years.

12 rounds with Carlos at his peak!

96 fights for 78-13-5, Paul was one of the greatest Aussie fighters never to win a world title, Tony Mundine, Paul Briggs, Cliff Samarden and Troy Waters are a few others that come to mind.

While i agree,sadly, with your sentiments i am,perhaps naively, hopeful that one of them will do something BIG by careers end. gives them 18 months. Would put moree money on Green but?!?!?

I am saddeened tthat Green seemingly has gone the path of Mundine-well at least starting to tread that way. Hope i am wrong.

dberry wrote:

Charlie Liparota wrote:Paul was the man to beat for many years.

12 rounds with Carlos at his peak!

96 fights for 78-13-5, Paul was one of the greatest Aussie fighters never to win a world title, Tony Mundine, Paul Briggs, Cliff Samarden and Troy Waters are a few others that come to mind.

Hector Thompson esaily slots into that group. Unlucky to have to challenge a great champ called Roberto Duran, i think in Panama.

Grant wrote:

dberry wrote:

Charlie Liparota wrote:Paul was the man to beat for many years.

12 rounds with Carlos at his peak!

96 fights for 78-13-5, Paul was one of the greatest Aussie fighters never to win a world title, Tony Mundine, Paul Briggs, Cliff Samarden and Troy Waters are a few others that come to mind.

Hector Thompson esaily slots into that group. Unlucky to have to challenge a great champ called Roberto Duran, i think in Panama.

Hector fought Cervantes as well for the WBA Lightweight Title, losing on a cut eye in the 8th as well as stopping former World Junior Welterweight champion Alfonso Frazer in 7 rounds.

Ross wrote: Now Green, he won our hearts when he got ripped off in Germany, but what has he done since he left Fenech ?
Nothing of note, he KOed RJJ ... so what. he KOes Manny ... so what.
To me Green and Mundine are now the same both milking the sport for all they can make $$$$, good for them, bad for me as a fan. Obviously these two have no regard for their legacy, looking for easy meaningless wins.

I strongly, strongly, object to this. It is funny timing actually, as today I just got my newly framed signed Roy Jones Jr glove back from the framing place (yeah I was a little slow in getting it done) and it looks awesome. It has pride of place in my Pool Room. Now I would not have this if Danny Green hadn't brought the all time great Roy Jones Jr to our shores. He gave me priceless memories, allowing me to meet Roy Jones Jr at his open training session in star city. He allowed me to be part of the press conference and watch Roy Jones Jr talk up the fight. He allowed me to witness the weigh in. And of course attend the fight. Roy Jones Jr was coming off a great win over Lacy and I fully expected him to out box Danny Green. The fight may not have turned out as I expected but the event was everything I hoped for and more.

Danny Green brought him here and as a fan of boxing it was truly a dream come true. IMO to say that was a let down to the fans is a disgrace, in fact I can't thank Danny enough for giving me the opportunities I mentioned above. I will never forget that he allowed me to meet a legend. It helps that I have that signed glove as a constant reminder as well.

Thank you Danny Green, you have done wonders for me, a boxing fan.

Grant wrote:I was disappointed in jeffs quest for titles, no doubt a great fighter IMO but he could have united the featherweight division. Maybe his brittle hands were always going to prevent him from dominating a division for a long time

It is not easy to unite titles. In his third fight out of gaol Mike Tyson KOed Frank Bruno in three rounds to win the WBC heavyweight title. The WBC stripped him of the title when he fought Bruce Seldon (KO 1) to unite the WBA title with the WBC title three months later.

Whatever you think of Tyson, the WBC were the arseholes in this case.

Hector Thompson had it all style,Speed and a punch that would stop a raging Bull,definately World Class unfortunately this Great fighter had 2 opponents die in the ring while he was fighting them,he never really come back with the same awesome power after that i had the feeling the incidents affected him from there on.

It was interesting when he fought one of the all time greats Duran,Duran gave him a huge wrap and said he was a World Champ in the making.

Teifilo

Fenech is the best fighter of the last couple of generations although he'd fail miserably in a character test. In the prime almost everyone turned a blind eye to some of the stuff he got up to and was involed in both inside and outside the ring. These days I for one don't think as much of him. Even as a fighter his standing has gone down in my eyes

bollox wrote:Fenech is the best fighter of the last couple of generations although he'd fail miserably in a character test. In the prime almost everyone turned a blind eye to some of the stuff he got up to and was involed in both inside and outside the ring. These days I for one don't think as much of him. Even as a fighter his standing has gone down in my eyes

ferrari, michaels, ellis were all denied shots at fenech, in the early days, he was a protected species,unlucky with nelson 1?, nelson had a bung left arm, nelson 2 puts jeff to sleep, they say fenechs heart wasn,t in it after his draw, great fighters have overcome those setbacks, fenech would not have lived with bennett ,curruthers , rose or famechon and thompson would have beat him with one hand.lewis said he always came in heavier than his opponents, tough little fighter but no where near our best, what about our little kostza?all the best

Ferreri Michael and Ellis were in different weight classes and would have had to come down since Fenech was the titleholder. They weren't denied shots, it's more that there was no way they could have come down to 118, 122 or 126 except for Ferreri. Fenech didn't go to feather til 1988 and Ferreri was pretty much retired by then. From memory when they were challenging Fenech they were feather (Ferreri), junior lightweight (Michael) and lightweight (Ellis). Ferreri could have made 126 although he would have been monstered at that stage of his career

Fenech was protected a bit at 118 but not the higher weights

I don't consider Tszyu to be home grown since he got his grounding elsewhere

clearly some people can't get past their personal opinion of him to make a fair judgement. it is obvious!

bollox wrote:Ferreri Michael and Ellis were in different weight classes and would have had to come down since Fenech was the titleholder. They weren't denied shots, it's more that there was no way they could have come down to 118, 122 or 126 except for Ferreri. Fenech didn't go to feather til 1988 and Ferreri was pretty much retired by then. From memory when they were challenging Fenech they were feather (Ferreri), junior lightweight (Michael) and lightweight (Ellis). Ferreri could have made 126 although he would have been monstered at that stage of his career

Fenech was protected a bit at 118 but not the higher weights

I don't consider Tszyu to be home grown since he got his grounding elsewhere

fenech fought as a feather in 1985, ferreri fought for empire bantam title in 1986, ellis and micheals fought for super feather empire title in 1984, fenech was supposedly around 6 pounds lighter, they through a challenge out at catch weights, in those days and earlier, fighters gave weight away light fought welter etc.ferreri was only 118 lbs in 1985, by the way. i wasn,t the one that brought fenech,s indescretions up, my opinion is as good as little sir echo ,i respect fenech as a fighter,and isn,t darchinian in the same boat as tszyu, all the best

I'll gladly add fuel to that fire, it is a well known fact that Fenech denied Lester Ellis a fight for the super feather title and it is, by the Fenech camp a closely kept, the worst kept secret that Lester Ellis knocked out Jeff Fenech in the mid eighties at Dana Goodson's Fitzroy Stars Gym in Fitzroy, Melbourne in front of both camps, spectators and media.

Fenech being the best boxer of our generation is subjective opinion.

Ellis was IBF World Super Featherweight champion. He won the title from Hwan-Kil Yuh, defended it against Rod Sequenan and lost it to Barry Michael.
Fenech won his World Titles at bantamweight, super bantamweight and featherweight. He fought for super featherweight and lightweight titles but did not win those titles.

mike tyson was ko'd in sparring. that makes tyson a ordinary boxer does it?

I did not say that either of them held the fornicating title, Brute, I said one challenged the other to a fight, and a title was mentioned as a sweetener. Fenech denied Ellis to the fight, for a title, understanding yet pal? It was pretty common knowledge amongst the boxing world, yeah? That Ellis knocked fenech out at the fitzroy All Stars Gym In North Melbourne. Care to try and be a smartie and discredit what I have to say?

buster007 wrote:mike tyson was ko'd in sparring. that makes tyson a ordinary boxer does it?

By Buster Douglas, Or any other impending opponents, was he ? And I didn't say Fenech was ordinary.

dberry wrote:I'll gladly add fuel to that fire, it is a well known fact that Fenech denied Lester Ellis a fight for the super feather title and it is, by the Fenech camp a closely kept, the worst kept secret that Lester Ellis knocked out Jeff Fenech in the mid eighties at Dana Goodson's Fitzroy Stars Gym in Fitzroy, Melbourne in front of both camps, spectators and media.

Fenech being the best boxer of our generation is subjective opinion.

there was a very well known fighter from melbourne[x-newcastle] who told us that little secret,fenech could have fought any one of the three fighters mentioned ,the way fenech built up there would have been no more than2kg difference at the most,mordey and co. didn,t want any one of them,i think fenech would have foughtgiven the choice,break even or better was mordey,s go. you are right about opinions,everybody,s got one.all thebest