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Mayweather Against Boxing's Greats

Posted: 04 May 2010, 06:34
by ThatOne
After Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s masterful performance against Shane Mosley, it is easier to accept his bold pronouncements of greatness. He could probably have held his own with the best in any era.



It is safer to wait until a boxer has retired before attempting an all-time rating, but Mayweather has the qualities that make a great fighter. It isn't just his speed and talent. His punch anticipation is uncanny. He expertly "reads" an opponent so that throughout a contest he usually seems to know what the other man is about to do and what punches are going to be thrown.



Mayweather is probably stronger and tougher and a better puncher than is generally realized. Caught and hurt in the second round, Mayweather came right back in the third as if nothing had happened and outclassed Mosley in every round from the third to the finish. This was fighting of the highest order.



Also, Mayweather's conditioning is superb. He stays close to his fighting weight, the way they did in bygone years. His work ethic is perhaps underappreciated.



How, though, would Mayweather have fared against the great welterweights of the past? We think of the old-time champions as somehow larger than life, but the Mayweather of the Mosley fight probably could have excelled against the best.



The old-time champions are considered to have been tougher and to have had more complete ring mechanics than the present-day ones because they fought at a time when competition was deeper. Mayweather's speed, though, could have given problems to the robust practitioners of the past. When a fighter is having every move countered swiftly and sharply it can induce doubt, and when one boxer achieves mental dominance over another the fight is usually over.



So how would Mayweather have fared against past welterweight standouts? Here are some guesses:



Mayweather against Jose Napoles: Cuban great Napoles, who moved to Mexico City when the Castro regime banned professional sport, was a superb boxer-puncher but Mayweather might have been faster and smarter, with a better jab. Napoles had a difficult fight with Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez, a game slugger who might not have been competitive with Mayweather.
Pick: Mayweather



Mayweather against Carmen Basilio: Basilio was as tough as they come, with a wicked left hook, and he beat the bigger Sugar Ray Robinson. Although outscored by the smart-boxing Johnny Saxton, Basilio brutally stopped this skilled boxer in two subsequent meetings. He might have had the tenacity and pressure to overcome Mayweather's superior artistry in a 15-round fight.
Pick: Basilio



Mayweather against Thomas Hearns: The Hit Man's right hand would have been a constant threat, but Mayweather seems the more reliable, steadier boxer, and his quickness could have flustered Hearns.
Pick: Mayweather



Mayweather against Roberto Duran: As relentless as Duran was, he might have been bothered by Mayweather's speed, jab and accurate countering. Mayweather would have looked the bigger, stronger man in the ring. It is possible to visualize Duran struggling with Mayweather's style, as in his rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard.
Pick: Mayweather



Mayweather against Felix Trinidad: Trinidad was an offensive force, but he fought in straight lines, as the British say. Mayweather would probably have outmaneuvered him.
Pick: Mayweather



Mayweather against Sugar Ray Leonard: This would have been a marvelous match. Leonard would have been Mayweather's equal for quickness and intelligence, but he had the punch-volume and extra power to prevail, if barely.
Pick: Leonard



Mayweather against Sugar Ray Robinson: Robinson is generally regarded as the greatest of them all. He was a wonderful boxer -- fast, powerful, courageous and exceptionally tough. Robinson's combinations would likely have trumped Mayweather's sharpshooting.
Pick: Robinson


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Re: Mayweather Against Boxing's Greats

Posted: 04 May 2010, 06:57
by Ezzard
Mayweather is a great fighter who would have given any fighter of any era a tough fight. He’s an ATG, no question.

I didn’t buy the fight with Mosley. Just one of those fights you see a lot if you follow boxing: a big draw being fed a name fighter who is over-hyped going in. Moseley was breathing from his mouth from about round 3. There was a lot of faith from Shane’s fans but I never saw this as a close fight going in. I thought Floyd was a great fighter going in and still do.

The analysis from Mr Houston is a bit thin on the ground but at least he doesn’t have Napoles losing on cuts as is usually put in any fantasy match involving Napoles.

All of these would be close fights so I’m not going to argue with people (as long as they don’t really think Floyd beats Robinson). I think he would beat Trinidad. I’d pick all of the others to beat him. I think they’d all be close except for Robinson and Hearns who both just hit so hard they’d have Floyd fighting too defensively.

Re: Mayweather Against Boxing's Greats

Posted: 04 May 2010, 11:15
by Goodnight, Irene
Mayweather cannot beat Hearns. Simply doesn't have the answers for that puzzle. Whitaker wouldn't have, either.

Mayweather's chances against Hearns are at least as slim as anyone on this list, sans Robinson.

Re: Mayweather Against Boxing's Greats

Posted: 04 May 2010, 11:26
by dempseyfire
Oh man, so after beating a 39 year old Mosley, Floyd is now an ATG welterweight?? WTF??

Robinson, Hearns, Griffith,Duran etc. They would've beaten Floyd's ass. Floyd has excellent skills but he would've been a dime a dozen in stronger eras . . .I mean really younger fans talk like Floyd invented the shoulder roll. I honestly don't see anything Floyd does that someone like a George Benton didn't do either.

People forget this is a guy who won a 7-5 decision vs Zab Judah. who should have an L next to the name Jose Luis Castillo, and who ran away from Cotto and Margarito when they were at the top of their game. Leonard, Hearns, Robinson, Basillo were BIG welters who moved up to middle (or beyond) with great success. Mosley's prime was at 135 over 10 years ago.

This post-Mosley Floyd orgy in the press reminds me of all the crap people were saying about Jones Jr after beating the average Ruiz (Roy could beat any 175 lber in history and the likes of Dempsey and Marciano on the same night!!) That sentiment changed and so will the current one.

Re: Mayweather Against Boxing's Greats

Posted: 04 May 2010, 18:16
by elmersalsa
PBF is very good, but in this list of fighters, he only beats BARELY Napoles and gives Tito a shutout.

Re: Mayweather Against Boxing's Greats

Posted: 05 May 2010, 11:39
by Dan Jamson
I can see PBF possibly beating duran at 135.

Re: Mayweather Against Boxing's Greats

Posted: 05 May 2010, 11:39
by Goodnight, Irene
Dan Jamson wrote:I can see PBF possibly beating duran at 135.
As can I...with enough ammo in the bazooka.

Re: Mayweather Against Boxing's Greats

Posted: 05 May 2010, 12:47
by The End
Strange , I would give Mayweather a much better chance against Basilio than I would against Hearns and Napoles.