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Apparently Basel and Zurich are both being discussed as venues for the fight on August 21st.

http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=27492

As i said in an earier thread,this isnt nuetral at all for Froch.Abraham has boxed there before and the Sauerlands have promoted there many times.

mickey1975 wrote:As i said in an earier thread,this isnt nuetral at all for Froch.Abraham has boxed there before and the Sauerlands have promoted there many times.

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if its in switzerland it might aswell be in germany

Switzerland was neutral in the war!!
But did hoard Nazi gold!!

Valuev's corrupt win over Holyfield was held in Switzerland and promoted by a German promoter wasn't it.

What is Froch after, neutral fans or neutral officials? The officials aren't guaranteed to be neutral due to the location, so I'm guessing he doesn't want a mostly German audience.

Asterix wrote:What is Froch after, neutral fans or neutral officials? The officials aren't guaranteed to be neutral due to the location, so I'm guessing he doesn't want a mostly German audience.

He actually wants a 100% Nottingham audience.What he gets,is a different matter.They are not exactly in a position of strength now.No title,the weakest promoter of the super six,no t.v deal to talk of....

mickey1975 wrote:

Asterix wrote:What is Froch after, neutral fans or neutral officials? The officials aren't guaranteed to be neutral due to the location, so I'm guessing he doesn't want a mostly German audience.

He actually wants a 100% Nottingham audience.What he gets,is a different matter.They are not exactly in a position of strength now.No title,the weakest promoter of the super six,no t.v deal to talk of....

The nail has just been hit well and truly on the head there.. I feel for Froch I really do but I'll bet the other promoters don't have an ounce of respect for Hennesy!! He's not even the biggest promoter in his own backyard and can't even secure television for his fighters which believe you me they will all know about..

jameswilson wrote:Valuev's corrupt win over Holyfield was held in Switzerland and promoted by a German promoter wasn't it.

Yeah, same promoter.

I would have some sympathy for Froch if there could be a suggestion he had been robbed.

He wasn't and he is promoted by a nobody.

Kalle Saulerland said that if Froch fought in Herning, then they would look to do Froch vs Abraham in the UK by return.

They spoke of the 02. Let's not forget Kalle was raised in London.

Then immeadiately in the aftermath announce nothing was 'contractually agreed' and basically went back on their word.

Carl Froch wasn't robbed in Herning, it was a close battle which Kessler edged due to a number of factors. But the fact remains they are now going back on their pact in a dishonourable manner.

Also when you have judges that give Froch 1 round out of the first 10 rounds, is it any wonder Carl is thinking A) Bollocks to fighting on another Saulerland arranged fight in Germany of all places and B) they can screw themselves anyway after going back on their discussion.

Personally and financially i want the fight in the UK so everyone can get to the bloody thing !

With out the super6 - Froch is out in the cold :(

Its sad how his career could soon resemble Junior Witters even more if he`s not wise ...

Froch can solve all of the potential "biased" judging problems very simply. He knocks King Arthur out.

forcefraser wrote:Froch can solve all of the potential "biased" judging problems very simply. He knocks King Arthur out.

....just like he was able to knock out Kessler you mean? I don't think froch has that sort of punch at world level ... Or if he has, he has been hiding it well up till now..

tonyevs wrote:

forcefraser wrote:Froch can solve all of the potential "biased" judging problems very simply. He knocks King Arthur out.

....just like he was able to knock out Kessler you mean? I don't think froch has that sort of punch at world level ... Or if he has, he has been hiding it well up till now..

Froch vs Abrahams will be a tear up, but Abrahams is a devastating puncher and if Carl hangs his chin out to many times he's going to get hurt.

Abrahams is a real tough nut, be a good fight though.

G0mez wrote:They spoke of the 02. Let's not forget Kalle was raised in London.

Then immeadiately in the aftermath announce nothing was 'contractually agreed' and basically went back on their word.

As someone else has already remarked in a previous thread (think it was Loynesy), I continue to be astonished by Hennessey's handling of Froch - at best it's naivety; at worst it's sheer incompetence.

G0mez wrote:Kalle Saulerland said that if Froch fought in Herning, then they would look to do Froch vs Abraham in the UK by return.

They spoke of the 02. Let's not forget Kalle was raised in London.

Then immeadiately in the aftermath announce nothing was 'contractually agreed' and basically went back on their word.

Who actually heard this convo? Was Froch present or just what Froch has been told?

steve richards wrote:Froch vs Abrahams will be a tear up, but Abrahams is a devastating puncher and if Carl hangs his chin out to many times he's going to get hurt.

Abrahams is a real tough nut, be a good fight though.

Froch needs to adopt near enough exactly the same gameplan that Dirrell used against King Arthur. If he can do that, I can see Froch winning on points.

Even though I felt Abraham knocked Dirrell down in the 10th (that was ruled as a 'slip'), Dirrell moved cleverly and boxed Abraham's head off for 95% of the fight. If you take away King Arthur's massive bang, he's nothing much.

Whichever country Froch fights King Arthur in, if Froch could last the 12 without being knocked out, he'd be nailed on for a points win.

Terrrrry wrote:

steve richards wrote:Froch vs Abrahams will be a tear up, but Abrahams is a devastating puncher and if Carl hangs his chin out to many times he's going to get hurt.

Abrahams is a real tough nut, be a good fight though.

Froch needs to adopt near enough exactly the same gameplan that Dirrell used against King Arthur. If he can do that, I can see Froch winning on points

Froch does not possess the speed, defense, boxing ability, or technique that Dirrell does, so that will present him with some problems if he tries to fight AA in a similar fashion. Froch has never shown the ability to consistently stick to a game plan that involves the basic fundamentals of boxing (i.e. jab, movement, an effort to protect oneself from an opponents punches) and it's almost certain he will end up trading wild power shots with Abraham.

There is no way that Froch is going to make any significant changes at this stage in his career. The man has been boxing for over twenty years and yet he still somehow managed to perform a full 360 after missing a left hook against Kessler. Not even the beginners at my gym have such horrendous technique.

Given his style, I think Froch will lose the fight and end up taking a lot of punishment in the process. If he could show some discipline by sticking to an intelligent game plan, which would include an active jab and some form of defense I would like his chances more, but that is not going to happen.

crusader wrote:Given his style, I think Froch will lose the fight and end up taking a lot of punishment in the process. If he could show some discipline by sticking to an intelligent game plan, which would include an active jab and some form of defense I would like his chances more, but that is not going to happen.

Abraham will be the biggest puncher Froch has stepped into the ring with by a long way, so I can see Froch adopting (or trying to adopt!) some kind of new gameplan against him. Nothing too major of course, but he will need to do something different to last the 12. Whether it'll work or not, we'll have to wait and see.

But, as you say, if Froch trys to mix it and goes toe-to-toe with Abraham, he'll get blasted out of there.

Sorry but its two losses in a row for Carl Froch. I just cant see him beating Abrahams any which way. Arthur is too tough to be knocked out and Froch just isnt good enough for the points win. I dont think the location matters unless they are in a tight points situation at the end of the fight. Froch has done very well to get this far but I dont think he has enough to cut the mustard with the likes of Ward, Abrahams or Kessler.

WildWaylon wrote:Froch just isnt good enough for the points win.

I disagree with that.

Abraham doesn't do much apart from trying to land massive shots, so he's easily outscored. Jermain Taylor probably would've got the points victory if it went to the cards against AA(from what I recall). Dirrell was miles infront of Abraham, too, even though AA should've have had a 10-8 round in the 10th due to knocking Dirrell down.

As I said yesterday, if Froch can somehow stay on his feet for 12 rounds, I fancy him to get the points win.

crusader wrote:

Terrrrry wrote:

steve richards wrote:Froch vs Abrahams will be a tear up, but Abrahams is a devastating puncher and if Carl hangs his chin out to many times he's going to get hurt.

Abrahams is a real tough nut, be a good fight though.

Froch needs to adopt near enough exactly the same gameplan that Dirrell used against King Arthur. If he can do that, I can see Froch winning on points

Froch does not possess the speed, defense, boxing ability, or technique that Dirrell does, so that will present him with some problems if he tries to fight AA in a similar fashion. Froch has never shown the ability to consistently stick to a game plan that involves the basic fundamentals of boxing (i.e. jab, movement, an effort to protect oneself from an opponents punches) and it's almost certain he will end up trading wild power shots with Abraham.

There is no way that Froch is going to make any significant changes at this stage in his career. The man has been boxing for over twenty years and yet he still somehow managed to perform a full 360 after missing a left hook against Kessler. Not even the beginners at my gym have such horrendous technique.

Given his style, I think Froch will lose the fight and end up taking a lot of punishment in the process. If he could show some discipline by sticking to an intelligent game plan, which would include an active jab and some form of defense I would like his chances more, but that is not going to happen.

I can't argue with any of this.....

Captain Hook wrote:

crusader wrote:

Terrrrry wrote: Froch needs to adopt near enough exactly the same gameplan that Dirrell used against King Arthur. If he can do that, I can see Froch winning on points

Froch does not possess the speed, defense, boxing ability, or technique that Dirrell does, so that will present him with some problems if he tries to fight AA in a similar fashion. Froch has never shown the ability to consistently stick to a game plan that involves the basic fundamentals of boxing (i.e. jab, movement, an effort to protect oneself from an opponents punches) and it's almost certain he will end up trading wild power shots with Abraham.

There is no way that Froch is going to make any significant changes at this stage in his career. The man has been boxing for over twenty years and yet he still somehow managed to perform a full 360 after missing a left hook against Kessler. Not even the beginners at my gym have such horrendous technique.

Given his style, I think Froch will lose the fight and end up taking a lot of punishment in the process. If he could show some discipline by sticking to an intelligent game plan, which would include an active jab and some form of defense I would like his chances more, but that is not going to happen.

I can't argue with any of this.....

Neither can I. Froch is taking some heavy hits now he has reached this level.