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Hey guys as you may or may not know i am compiling a lsit of all British "world" title challengers but need a little help. I am looking for all the British "world" (WBO WBA IBF WBC) title challengers from the 80's most of the obvious ones i know its the obscure fighters that didnt win or were not as well known that i have problems with so any and all suggestion will be welcome

Sibson, Minter, Bruno, Benn, Honeyghan...

Johnny Owen (RIP) was in 1980 as well......there are loads, will try get as many as I can and sure the others will chip in with plenty mate.

Roy Gumbs was one of those early IBF title challengers in one of those early new weights: super-middleweight. Dennis Andries was horrible but effective at light-heavy. Magri did the business, belatedly. Colin Jones got a draw, an 'iffy' loss and a cuts defeat, the latter to Don Curry in F rank Warren's first ever world title promotion in January 1985. McGuigan walked into Pedroza and never stopped punching for 15 rounds; he was punching so hard, he swung full circle after missing Pedroza with a shot in the 15th round. Terry Marsh, Warren's first pro signing, also threw way too many shots for Manley...

bennie wrote:Roy Gumbs was one of those early IBF title challengers in one of those early new weights: super-middleweight. Dennis Andries was horrible but effective at light-heavy. Magri did the business, belatedly. Colin Jones got a draw, an 'iffy' loss and a cuts defeat, the latter to Don Curry in F rank Warren's first ever world title promotion in January 1985. McGuigan walked into Pedroza and never stopped punching for 15 rounds; he was punching so hard, he swung full circle after missing Pedroza with a shot in the 15th round. Terry Marsh, Warren's first pro signing, also threw way too many shots for Manley...

Yeah, Roy Gumbs went to South Korea to fight one of Asia's best big men in Chong Pal Park and was knocked out in two rounds!

Murray Sutherland was born in Elgin in Scotland and lost his title by KO to Chong Pal Park and then you have other fighters who were born in the UK who won IBF titles in Australia such as Barry Michael and Lester Ellis - All three of these fighters were classed as British in the 'Guinness book of boxing' though I would say they were Aussies. Tom Collins was KO'd in 2 by Jeff Harding, Sammy Reeson was stopped in 9 by Carlos DeLeon, Cornelius Boza Edwards is seen as a Brit and won the EBU super featherweight as well as the WBC world title back in 1981. Pat Cowdell went to Texas and dropped a split points desicion to the great Salvador Sanchez - there's loads to be honest...

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

bennie wrote:Roy Gumbs was one of those early IBF title challengers in one of those early new weights: super-middleweight. Dennis Andries was horrible but effective at light-heavy. Magri did the business, belatedly. Colin Jones got a draw, an 'iffy' loss and a cuts defeat, the latter to Don Curry in F rank Warren's first ever world title promotion in January 1985. McGuigan walked into Pedroza and never stopped punching for 15 rounds; he was punching so hard, he swung full circle after missing Pedroza with a shot in the 15th round. Terry Marsh, Warren's first pro signing, also threw way too many shots for Manley...

Yeah, Roy Gumbs went to South Korea to fight one of Asia's best big men in Chong Pal Park and was knocked out in two rounds!

Murray Sutherland was born in Elgin in Scotland and lost his title by KO to Chong Pal Park and then you have other fighters who were born in the UK who won IBF titles in Australia such as Barry Michael and Lester Ellis - All three of these fighters were classed as British in the 'Guinness book of boxing' though I would say they were Aussies. Tom Collins was KO'd in 2 by Jeff Harding, Sammy Reeson was stopped in 9 by Carlos DeLeon, Cornelius Boza Edwards is seen as a Brit and won the EBU super featherweight as well as the WBC world title back in 1981. Pat Cowdell went to Texas and dropped a split points desicion to the great Salvador Sanchez - there's loads to be honest...

I know! thats the problem! but I cant find a list of all British world title challengers or even titlists anywhere so decided to year by year right back to boxings formation attempt to list all British world title challengers

Murray Sutherland.

I would certainly class Cornelius Boza Edwards as British.

Maurice Hope was world champion in 1980.

Bruno tried and failed twice.

Glenn McCory won his title in 1989.

Graham fought McCallum in 1989.

Sammy Reeson was brave against De Leon.

Duke McKenzie and Dave McAuley

wrimc wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

bennie wrote:Roy Gumbs was one of those early IBF title challengers in one of those early new weights: super-middleweight. Dennis Andries was horrible but effective at light-heavy. Magri did the business, belatedly. Colin Jones got a draw, an 'iffy' loss and a cuts defeat, the latter to Don Curry in F rank Warren's first ever world title promotion in January 1985. McGuigan walked into Pedroza and never stopped punching for 15 rounds; he was punching so hard, he swung full circle after missing Pedroza with a shot in the 15th round. Terry Marsh, Warren's first pro signing, also threw way too many shots for Manley...

Yeah, Roy Gumbs went to South Korea to fight one of Asia's best big men in Chong Pal Park and was knocked out in two rounds!

Murray Sutherland was born in Elgin in Scotland and lost his title by KO to Chong Pal Park and then you have other fighters who were born in the UK who won IBF titles in Australia such as Barry Michael and Lester Ellis - All three of these fighters were classed as British in the 'Guinness book of boxing' though I would say they were Aussies. Tom Collins was KO'd in 2 by Jeff Harding, Sammy Reeson was stopped in 9 by Carlos DeLeon, Cornelius Boza Edwards is seen as a Brit and won the EBU super featherweight as well as the WBC world title back in 1981. Pat Cowdell went to Texas and dropped a split points desicion to the great Salvador Sanchez - there's loads to be honest...

I know! thats the problem! but I cant find a list of all British world title challengers or even titlists anywhere so decided to year by year right back to boxings formation attempt to list all British world title challengers

If you could get hold of 'the guinness book of boxing' then thats has the completed list of every world challenge from John L Sullivan and Nonpareli Jack Dempsey up till around 1990. Excellent book!

Thats the thing Stu - the record books would class Cornelius as Ugandan as does boxrec (probably - I don't know..) I personally would class Cornelius Boza Edwards as British.

Before he fought Rafael Limon for the WBC title - Limon made a stupid statement that went along the lines of 'we Mexicans kill Englishmen' using the death of Johnny Owen at the hands of Lupe Pintor as reference - Cornelius was so enranged by this stupid and callous remark - he beat the shite out of Limon and won the WBC title on points.

John Conteh challenged Saad Muhammed in 1980

wrimc wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

bennie wrote:Roy Gumbs was one of those early IBF title challengers in one of those early new weights: super-middleweight. Dennis Andries was horrible but effective at light-heavy. Magri did the business, belatedly. Colin Jones got a draw, an 'iffy' loss and a cuts defeat, the latter to Don Curry in F rank Warren's first ever world title promotion in January 1985. McGuigan walked into Pedroza and never stopped punching for 15 rounds; he was punching so hard, he swung full circle after missing Pedroza with a shot in the 15th round. Terry Marsh, Warren's first pro signing, also threw way too many shots for Manley...

Yeah, Roy Gumbs went to South Korea to fight one of Asia's best big men in Chong Pal Park and was knocked out in two rounds!

Murray Sutherland was born in Elgin in Scotland and lost his title by KO to Chong Pal Park and then you have other fighters who were born in the UK who won IBF titles in Australia such as Barry Michael and Lester Ellis - All three of these fighters were classed as British in the 'Guinness book of boxing' though I would say they were Aussies. Tom Collins was KO'd in 2 by Jeff Harding, Sammy Reeson was stopped in 9 by Carlos DeLeon, Cornelius Boza Edwards is seen as a Brit and won the EBU super featherweight as well as the WBC world title back in 1981. Pat Cowdell went to Texas and dropped a split points desicion to the great Salvador Sanchez - there's loads to be honest...

I know! thats the problem! but I cant find a list of all British world title challengers or even titlists anywhere so decided to year by year right back to boxings formation attempt to list all British world title challengers

If you spend a little quality time on the main Box Rec page you will be able to find all the names you need.
Also the Ring annual magazine minibooks which they did earlier in the decade (the last one i bought i beleive was 2005) usually carried all world title fight data for different weight classes.

You can quite easily pick out a full list of british title challengers just by looking at those.

mugabi wrote:

wrimc wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote: Yeah, Roy Gumbs went to South Korea to fight one of Asia's best big men in Chong Pal Park and was knocked out in two rounds!

Murray Sutherland was born in Elgin in Scotland and lost his title by KO to Chong Pal Park and then you have other fighters who were born in the UK who won IBF titles in Australia such as Barry Michael and Lester Ellis - All three of these fighters were classed as British in the 'Guinness book of boxing' though I would say they were Aussies. Tom Collins was KO'd in 2 by Jeff Harding, Sammy Reeson was stopped in 9 by Carlos DeLeon, Cornelius Boza Edwards is seen as a Brit and won the EBU super featherweight as well as the WBC world title back in 1981. Pat Cowdell went to Texas and dropped a split points desicion to the great Salvador Sanchez - there's loads to be honest...

I know! thats the problem! but I cant find a list of all British world title challengers or even titlists anywhere so decided to year by year right back to boxings formation attempt to list all British world title challengers

If you spend a little quality time on the main Box Rec page you will be able to find all the names you need.
Also the Ring annual magazine minibooks which they did earlier in the decade (the last one i bought i beleive was 2005) usually carried all world title fight data for different weight classes.

You can quite easily pick out a full list of british title challengers just by looking at those.

Thats the only real way i have of verifying the names and its east to track down the well known challengers but some of the more obscure names that have been forgotten often slip through the net the one time challengers that people forget about and so purely browsing boxrec can sometimes be counter productive

Charlie Nash, Dave Green, Pat Cowdell, Tony Sibson, Jim McDonnell, Tom Collins.

I'd say Najib Daho should be in as well.

Dennis Andries won the WBC Light Heavyweight title in 1986 then lost it the following year to Tommy Hearns. He then regained the vacant belt in 1989. I thought of him because my first trainer and manager Alek Penarski fought him.

Jim McDonnell challenged the mighty Azumah Nelson on Bonfire Night, 1989. He gave a magnificent showing but was let down by a less than magnificent corner, who sent him out for the 12th and last round to be knocked out. Everyone in the game knew that Freddie King and Darkie Smith despised each other.

80's were a fantastic time for British Boxing.......

Jim Watt who had the WBC Lightweight belt had to fight Charlie Nash at Ibrox 1980 is another one

This is who i have so far Honeyghan Bruno Mcdonell Andries Mckenzie Mccrory Graham Collins Sibson Bonza Edwards Mcguigan Daho C Jones Gumbs Cowdell Magri Sutherland Hope Watt Minter owen Conteh Green Nash

Not sure if they've already been mentioned, Richie Wenton fought Barrera for the vacant WBO superbantem title, followed by Paul LLoyd. Wenton lost in 4, Lloyd in 1.

EDIT: Sorry, those are 90s. Seemed like a lifetime ago anyway.

wrimc wrote:This is who i have so far Honeyghan Bruno Mcdonell Andries Mckenzie Mccrory Graham Collins Sibson Bonza Edwards Mcguigan Daho C Jones Gumbs Cowdell Magri Sutherland Hope Watt Minter owen Conteh Green Nash

Dave McAuley is missing, Terry Marsh is missing, Hope was already a world champ going into the 1980s and thus not a challenger (as was Watt), and I would include John Mugabi (if you include Boza).

bennie wrote:

wrimc wrote:This is who i have so far Honeyghan Bruno Mcdonell Andries Mckenzie Mccrory Graham Collins Sibson Bonza Edwards Mcguigan Daho C Jones Gumbs Cowdell Magri Sutherland Hope Watt Minter owen Conteh Green Nash

Dave McAuley is missing, Terry Marsh is missing, Hope was already a world champ going into the 1980s and thus not a challenger (as was Watt), and I would include John Mugabi (if you include Boza).

Boza was definitely a British citizen, not sure Mugabi was - he certainly was always bill out of Uganda, while Boza-Edwards was billed out of Harrow.

gobbles wrote:

bennie wrote:

wrimc wrote:This is who i have so far Honeyghan Bruno Mcdonell Andries Mckenzie Mccrory Graham Collins Sibson Bonza Edwards Mcguigan Daho C Jones Gumbs Cowdell Magri Sutherland Hope Watt Minter owen Conteh Green Nash

Dave McAuley is missing, Terry Marsh is missing, Hope was already a world champ going into the 1980s and thus not a challenger (as was Watt), and I would include John Mugabi (if you include Boza).

Boza was definitely a British citizen, not sure Mugabi was - he certainly was always bill out of Uganda, while Boza-Edwards was billed out of Harrow.

Yeah, Boza won a European title, too; however, Mugabi lives here now and fought enough times here in his early years as a pro to be regarded as British, in my book.

bennie wrote:

wrimc wrote:This is who i have so far Honeyghan Bruno Mcdonell Andries Mckenzie Mccrory Graham Collins Sibson Bonza Edwards Mcguigan Daho C Jones Gumbs Cowdell Magri Sutherland Hope Watt Minter owen Conteh Green Nash

Dave McAuley is missing, Terry Marsh is missing, Hope was already a world champ going into the 1980s and thus not a challenger (as was Watt), and I would include John Mugabi (if you include Boza).

I have McAuely and Marsh just missed them out by accident Hope and Watt still fought for world title in the 80's to define it better i am compiling a list of every world title fight involving a British fighters through the decades does anybody have ideas for 70's?

I have Sibson Conteh Hope Green Watt Dunn Stracey Buchanan Bugner Finnegan Charles

wrimc wrote:

bennie wrote:

wrimc wrote:This is who i have so far Honeyghan Bruno Mcdonell Andries Mckenzie Mccrory Graham Collins Sibson Bonza Edwards Mcguigan Daho C Jones Gumbs Cowdell Magri Sutherland Hope Watt Minter owen Conteh Green Nash

Dave McAuley is missing, Terry Marsh is missing, Hope was already a world champ going into the 1980s and thus not a challenger (as was Watt), and I would include John Mugabi (if you include Boza).

I have McAuely and Marsh just missed them out by accident Hope and Watt still fought for world title in the 80's to define it better i am compiling a list of every world title fight involving a British fighters through the decades does anybody have ideas for 70's?

I have Sibson Conteh Hope Green Watt Dunn Stracey Buchanan Bugner Finnegan Charles

You've got them all for the 1970s. However, Sibson is the 1980s.

Oops don't know why i put Sibson down strange. 60's anyone? Off the top of my head Rudkin Downes Cooper London Mcgowan Caldwell

also Curvis,charnley and winstone