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Dumb as a fighter or just dumb as a person? There is a difference.

BarryWashington wrote:Reggie Strickland.

Not even close if you've ever seen him fight. People take more punishment in one fight than he did in his entire career. Besides, he perfected the art of making a fair living each year to block punches for a few rounds.

Agree with Musashi.
Reggie was slick.
I also fought on the same card with him in Chicago in 89. We had the same dressing room.
Talked to him a little. He wasnt dumb at all. Good sense of humour too.

I assume you mean Ring IQ? If that's the case Mike Tyson & Oscar DelaHoya would top my list.

Edit: If you mean buffoonish clown that lacked talent, that Tomashek guy that fought Morrison was quite a character. Though I'm pretty sure he was drunk when they grabbed him out of the crowd for the fight.

I knew Tomashek also.
He was no dummy either in person. Just a regular guy. I think he played up the Gee whiz stuff for laughs.
There have been fighters that aint real bright over the years.
In my opinion, it isnt really the guys who are the opponents, journeymen, etc.
Some of the geniuses who have pissed away careers with criminal activity would be more the norm I think.

What was so dumb about McNeeley?

BarryWashington wrote:I personally think he's dumb for wasting so many years of his life by pursuing something that wasn't cut out for him.

He was perfectly cut out to be the opponent if I've ever seen one. With as many fights as he would take in a years time, I'm sure he made a good chunk of change on this little side job of his called boxing (not including being a matchmaker). Believe me, he didn't get hit a lot. Maybe in the beginning but over time he perfected his craft well enough to keep very good fighters from getting through his guard.

This isn't like those TPS retards. Reggie was very useful.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:What was so dumb about McNeeley?

Dude . . . Come on now.

McNeeley fighting Tyson was nothing more than Don King showing gratitude to the support from the Special Needs Trust.

It was a farce of a fight. What makes it dumb on McNeeley's part? Was there another avenue in life where he was going to make a million dollars for 2 minutes? I'd fight either Klitschko tomorrow for less than that and I haven't even sparred in 6 years.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

BarryWashington wrote: Dude . . . Come on now.

McNeeley fighting Tyson was nothing more than Don King showing gratitude to the support from the Special Needs Trust.

It was a farce of a fight. What makes it dumb on McNeeley's part? Was there another avenue in life where he was going to make a million dollars for 2 minutes? I'd fight either Klitschko tomorrow for less than that and I haven't even sparred in 6 years.

It's the way McNeeley carried himself and what he did outside of the ring. His facial expressions, his pre-fight staredowns (the one w/Butterbean is classic.)

I would put a million dollars on the line that if McNeeely were to take an IQ test not only would he probably break his pencil in his half due to the frustration he would feel taking it, he also would not reach over 60 pts.

Edit: I don't want to smash on these guys. I was going to go on about leon Spinks. But that's just wrong, LOL at facial expressions making someone an idiot.

You know what is really dumb? This thread

Expug wrote:I knew Tomashek also.
He was no dummy either in person. Just a regular guy. I think he played up the Gee whiz stuff for laughs.
There have been fighters that aint real bright over the years.
In my opinion, it isnt really the guys who are the opponents, journeymen, etc.
Some of the geniuses who have pissed away careers with criminal activity would be more the norm I think.

My bad, I shouldn't even have replied. Ring IQ would be a decent thread, judging someones intelligence from watching them on TV is BS.

He was definitely funny and am I correct in assuming he had tilted a few? He was there for his birthday.

How about smart boxers?

I read this article about Michael Spinks. He was asked why he didn't continue fighting after his loss to Tyson. He was still young and had gas in the tank. He said he had made more money than he could have ever dreamed of and was able to provide a nice life for him and his family. He marveled at the opportunity his skill had created for him and that was enough.That's uncommon wisdom.

ThatOne wrote:How about smart boxers?

I read this article about Michael Spinks. He was asked why he didn't continue fighting after his loss to Tyson. He was still young and had gas in the tank. He said he had made more money than he could have ever dreamed of and was able to provide a nice life for him and his family. He marveled at the opportunity his skill had created for him and that was enough.That's uncommon wisdom.

So maybe a certain iconic figure that hung around far too long and paid dearly for it didn't really possess such wisdom, right?

yancey wrote:

ThatOne wrote:How about smart boxers?

I read this article about Michael Spinks. He was asked why he didn't continue fighting after his loss to Tyson. He was still young and had gas in the tank. He said he had made more money than he could have ever dreamed of and was able to provide a nice life for him and his family. He marveled at the opportunity his skill had created for him and that was enough.That's uncommon wisdom.

So maybe a certain iconic figure that hung around far too long and paid dearly for it didn't really possess such wisdom, right?

Ali was certainly lacking in wisdom to have fought so long and so past his prime. But that lack of wisdom is mitigated by the fact that he had nine children and an entourage to support. Where else was he going to get $5 million for a night's work?

Make a list of the figters who quit on top and the list of those who didn't and see which list is longer.

Ambling Alp wrote:Dumb as a fighter or just dumb as a person? There is a difference.

Thats a better thread. Dumb as a fighter. Example, Golota leading a fight and throwing the blows he did.

BarryWashington wrote:And really? Facial expressions can't determine someone's intelligence? So you're telling me when you see someone that suffers from Down Syndrome that you can't immediately tell by looking at their face that they have it?

Wow. And no, you can't determine someone's IQ by the look on their face.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

BarryWashington wrote: It's the way McNeeley carried himself and what he did outside of the ring. His facial expressions, his pre-fight staredowns (the one w/Butterbean is classic.)

I would put a million dollars on the line that if McNeeely were to take an IQ test not only would he probably break his pencil in his half due to the frustration he would feel taking it, he also would not reach over 60 pts.

Edit: I don't want to smash on these guys. I was going to go on about leon Spinks. But that's just wrong, LOL at facial expressions making someone an idiot.

You know what is really dumb? This thread

Peter McNeeley during a press conference for his future fight against Mike Tyson:

"Keep laughing, keep laughing. Real funny, haha? If any one of you doesn't respect me, or what I'm doing or what I've been doing for the last three months since it was been announced, going against a guy like this, you have a big dump in your pants."

And really? Facial expressions can't determine someone's intelligence? So you're telling me when you see someone that suffers from Down Syndrome that you can't immediately tell by looking at their face that they have it?

I've never seen an expression as ignorant as this post.

BarryWashington wrote:

tzyuforever wrote:

BarryWashington wrote:And really? Facial expressions can't determine someone's intelligence? So you're telling me when you see someone that suffers from Down Syndrome that you can't immediately tell by looking at their face that they have it?

Wow. And no, you can't determine someone's IQ by the look on their face.

Why are you saying "wow"? Was that not PC enough for you? I never said that facial expressions ALWAYS determine one's intelligence, I'm saying that it can. And in an extreme case someone that suffers from Down Syndrome would be an example of being able to determine one's intelligence by viewing their facial expressions.

Back to the topic at hand . .

I don't care about PC, I just have no idea what a genetic disorder has to do with boxers that make certain facial expressions.

I get the point of the thread,but as fight fans, ex fighters, etc the first thing you notice is an overall...eccentric nature to the participants of a sport that is about punchin another guy in the face.
It aint natural behavior from the get go so naturally,its going to attract a certain breed.Maybe not so much in the ams, but pros,definitely.But, who can say that it makes a guy a dummy? To me, you have to be quick thinking and smart to succeed in the ring.So most fighters who are well known and have done fairly well arent stupid.Again, its the occasional rocket scientist that does something criminally outrageous that ruins a career that stands out as a fool.I'd say that moron who belted the guy in the face after the fight was over with a bare fist was a good example.Lionel something?

James Butler

He later killed Max Kellerman's brother.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:James Butler

He later killed Max Kellerman's brother.

Yep, thats him. He fits the bill of the thread title I'd say.

...using the downs syndrome as a facial expression is awesomely stupid. it is not the expression, it is the structure of the face itself. as for the expression it is usually smiling and friendly.

wsbuf wrote:

Ambling Alp wrote:Dumb as a fighter or just dumb as a person? There is a difference.

Thats a better thread. Dumb as a fighter. Example, Golota leading a fight and throwing the blows he did.

I was hoping this would be about "Boxing smarts". Obviously there are many, many guys that weren't that bright.

Golota is someone that comes to mind as having a low "Boxing IQ". He also bit a guy, headbutted a guy for no reason and could have disqualified in those fights. He also quit in a fight that he was winning when he didn't seem that hurt.

There are a lot of good fighters who occasionally fought a "dumb" fight. ie-They didn't try to adapt to the opponent.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

BarryWashington wrote: Dude . . . Come on now.

McNeeley fighting Tyson was nothing more than Don King showing gratitude to the support from the Special Needs Trust.

It was a farce of a fight. What makes it dumb on McNeeley's part? Was there another avenue in life where he was going to make a million dollars for 2 minutes? I'd fight either Klitschko tomorrow for less than that and I haven't even sparred in 6 years.

It's the way McNeeley carried himself and what he did outside of the ring. His facial expressions, his pre-fight staredowns (the one w/Butterbean is classic.)

I would put a million dollars on the line that if McNeeely were to take an IQ test not only would he probably break his pencil in his half due to the frustration he would feel taking it, he also would not reach over 60 pts.

I think you have a point about mcneeley being the dumbest guy in terms of his goofy behaviour and dumb facial expressions.
Lol watch the tyson fight. Look at his embarrasing staredown, made even more insane when u realise at the time people thought it was the 80's tyson coming back, the way he kind of looked at tyson like "i got you I got you" . His insane bravery as he charged tyson and even made him hold on is to be commended, as is his bravado after he got knocked down the 1st time,but the most funny retarded thing ,is how when he gets knocked down the second time, he does that exaggerated legs shaking routine and his facial expression suddenly changes to one like he has suddenly defecated in his trunks and cant beleive it!!
Than his palooka manager withdraws him!

ThatOne wrote:

yancey wrote:

ThatOne wrote:How about smart boxers?

I read this article about Michael Spinks. He was asked why he didn't continue fighting after his loss to Tyson. He was still young and had gas in the tank. He said he had made more money than he could have ever dreamed of and was able to provide a nice life for him and his family. He marveled at the opportunity his skill had created for him and that was enough.That's uncommon wisdom.

So maybe a certain iconic figure that hung around far too long and paid dearly for it didn't really possess such wisdom, right?

Ali was certainly lacking in wisdom to have fought so long and so past his prime. But that lack of wisdom is mitigated by the fact that he had nine children and an entourage to support. Where else was he going to get $5 million for a night's work?

Make a list of the figters who quit on top and the list of those who didn't and see which list is longer.

I dont think its fair to say with the benefit of hindsight ali "was certainly lacking in wisdom to have fought so long".....

Don king had just broke in the era of huge paydays in boxing. THis was before the internet and cheap celebrity reality tv show career route or present day era of sports icon endorsements in perpetuity , well connected worldwide flights and tv jobs long after a sports career has ended.

Ali had seen champions in his mind better than him such as Ray Robinson and Jou Louis reduced to hopeless abject poverty.A former champion like joe louis reduced to being a gofer for a casino.

Ali knew after the thriller in manilla he was damaged and not the same. He went on this world tour.

He always took risks and it paid off.

he thought by taking on holmes for $8 million. A guy who was his sparring partner 4-5 years earlier wasnt as risky as taking on a foreman or liston. So he took a calculated risk.

He didnt calculate on herbert mohammed and the black muslims drugging him up to his eyeballs on medicines which made his sluggish and tired and a shell on fight night