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congrats to John and Team Murray.

that boy deserves to fighting at bigger venues then a lesuire centre in Widnes.

Heres a wee snap I took tonight.

good picture
that many Murray's about I had no idea which was being referred to in the other thread.
I was particularly impressed by the fight he had with Scott Lawton.

I know banging away doesn't always translate well in the upper echelons of the sport but he can definitely have a good go.

Yep for me Murray could be in some good fights at world level, he is hard as nails and could give some good euro and world prospects a very good fight. With a better promoter he would be at the world level by now imho. Just like all Hennessy fighters he has been dogged by inactivity and so far a lack of defining fights to drag him from the leisure centres and onto a bigger stage.

it will be bad crack for him if he ends up grafting his bollocks of for years and years, getting punched, banging his hands up and getting in wars like a similar warrior from the Manchester area who has recently without getting the kind of shot he merits and a chance to put some decent wedge in the bank. No disrespect to Mr Moore but I think the general feeling is he too had some world "potential" at least but didn't end up getting the big shot, on top of what he achieved.

Murray is the best lightweight in europe forget mitchell, once his hennessey contract expires he'll go with hatton and then we'll see his career progress to where it needs to be

He will get his due before too long. Haye was fighting in venues like this not that long ago. Give it a year or so and Murray will be in the big fights. I think he needs maybe two or three more before making the step up to world level and really making some money.

Yeah good performance from John, but am sure he can do better.

But just gotta say, well done to Gary Buckland, showed the heart of a lion and a incredible will to win. Dissapointed his corner didn't pull him out do, he may have took a few years of his career by being a hero. Thought his corner team were a real letdown and embrassament....

Would love to see John make his first defence of his EU Title against Yuri Romanov. That would be a cracker.

Cotto16 wrote:Yeah good performance from John, but am sure he can do better.

But just gotta say, well done to Gary Buckland, showed the heart of a lion and a incredible will to win. Dissapointed his corner didn't pull him out do, he may have took a few years of his career by being a hero. Thought his corner team were a real letdown and embrassament....

Would love to see John make his first defence of his EU Title against Yuri Romanov. That would be a cracker.

Ireland's Andy Murray has the EU title,

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Cotto16 wrote:Yeah good performance from John, but am sure he can do better.

But just gotta say, well done to Gary Buckland, showed the heart of a lion and a incredible will to win. Dissapointed his corner didn't pull him out do, he may have took a few years of his career by being a hero. Thought his corner team were a real letdown and embrassament....

Would love to see John make his first defence of his EU Title against Yuri Romanov. That would be a cracker.

Ireland's Andy Murray has the EU title,

rah you are so irish it bores me, guy made an obvious slip up in saying EU instead of EBU

p.s. magee and mcloskey are UK european champions, therefore the UK has 11 european champions out of 14 weight categories, big up the UK!

i disagree he's better than mitchell.

like to find out for sure though.

definitely a domestic fighter that we all wanna see in much bigger fights.

romanov, mitchell, etc.

I thought it was an excellent professional performance by John Murray against a very under-rated guttsy fighter who will give plenty of people problems.

Its now time for "Meaty Mick" to step Murray up - he needs big shows and whats more as a double champion deserves them.

The_Don1 wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Cotto16 wrote:Yeah good performance from John, but am sure he can do better.

But just gotta say, well done to Gary Buckland, showed the heart of a lion and a incredible will to win. Dissapointed his corner didn't pull him out do, he may have took a few years of his career by being a hero. Thought his corner team were a real letdown and embrassament....

Would love to see John make his first defence of his EU Title against Yuri Romanov. That would be a cracker.

Ireland's Andy Murray has the EU title,

rah you are so irish it bores me, guy made an obvious slip up in saying EU instead of EBU

p.s. magee and mcloskey are UK european champions, therefore the UK has 11 european champions out of 14 weight categories, big up the UK!

yes and they are two different belts. did I say "Ireland Andy Murray has the EU title you dumb fornicate"??? No. I just pointed out who was the EU champion. As for Magee and mcCloskey -

Spud wrote:I thought it was an excellent professional performance by John Murray against a very under-rated guttsy fighter who will give plenty of people problems.

Its now time for "Meaty Mick" to step Murray up - he needs big shows and whats more as a double champion deserves them.

he'll certainly leave the domestic scene behind now, given that he's got the lonsdale belt to keep.

kudriavtsev is a step up. i hope this fight can be made.

not seen murray-buckland but i did predict a) murray would outgun him and b) buckland would be tough to budge. sounds like he had a chance to show off his full range of offensive skills.

i always rated murray, even when you were predicting his doom following his couple of off-nights during a bad period of his career.

The_Don1 wrote:Murray is the best lightweight in europe forget mitchell, once his hennessey contract expires he'll go with hatton and then we'll see his career progress to where it needs to be

Im not so sure about that. Swings and roundabouts... imo Mitchell is a better boxer who gets caught with less but on the flip-side Murray is as strong as an Ox with very heavy hands.

Great match-up. But id be interested to see how Murray would deal with Breidis Prescott, that or for Murray and Mitchell to actually meet and thus likely to end the debate.

liamlion wrote:

The_Don1 wrote:Murray is the best lightweight in europe forget mitchell, once his hennessey contract expires he'll go with hatton and then we'll see his career progress to where it needs to be

Im not so sure about that. Swings and roundabouts... imo Mitchell is a better boxer who gets caught with less but on the flip-side Murray is as strong as an Ox with very heavy hands.

Great match-up. But id be interested to see how Murray would deal with Breidis Prescott, that or for Murray and Mitchell to actually meet and thus likely to end the debate.

yeah, exactly, you could go either way and back again on whose better out of these two. I have what you might call an inkling that Mitchell's a little more versatile and that that would be a deciding factor...... but then.......

The_Don1 wrote:Murray is the best lightweight in europe forget mitchell, once his hennessey contract expires he'll go with hatton and then we'll see his career progress to where it needs to be

mitchell would take murray out.

murray is very good..looked rusty but that is understandable after 7 months out, hopefully one defence of the ebu and he should be fighting for a world title

I was impressed with him again last night, Buckland impressed me with his desire, heart and chin but Murray totally destroyed him landing some big shots to head and body. I have always liked his body work and last night was no different he landed some beautys.

Am i missing something here? He is one of the better British champions but i dont think he is anything special. I think if Mezaache had been in there he might have had afew more problems. He is a pressure fighter but has a terribly leaky defence he doesnt have concussive power though he has a reasonable dig seems like he wears his opponents out rather than bangs them out. I think Euro is probably his level. If he meets a decent boxer he will get outboxed he is far too open and if he meets a stronger brawler than himself he could get stopped. I think Mitchell is at least a level above him and could outbox or out bang Murray.

yes you're missing something.

if he meets a stronger pressure fighter i would think he'd do some boxing.

and if he meets a slick boxer, then he'd probably have a plan to put him under some real pressure.

pressure fighter does not necessarily = slow and limited. he can use his assets to break down, and thus slow down, quicker guys. as to the defense issue, i keep on saying. i've seen mitchell's head swiveled round by shots many times, whereas i've seldom seen it happen to murray.

yes mitchell can box well outside, but we saw that he loses a lot in terms of clean scoring blows when he moves so much. i mean, how many times did he puch short vs prescott, and how many times did he hit arms? i'd answer a lot on both counts.

Autobarn wrote:yes you're missing something.

if he meets a stronger pressure fighter i would think he'd do some boxing.

and if he meets a slick boxer, then he'd probably have a plan to put him under some real pressure.

pressure fighter does not necessarily = slow and limited. he can use his assets to break down, and thus slow down, quicker guys. as to the defense issue, i keep on saying. i've seen mitchell's head swiveled round by shots many times, whereas i've seldom seen it happen to murray.

yes mitchell can box well outside, but we saw that he loses a lot in terms of clean scoring blows when he moves so much. i mean, how many times did he puch short vs prescott, and how many times did he hit arms? i'd answer a lot on both counts.

Absolute speculation without any foundation!

Murray has given asbolutey no indication in his previous showings to suggest he can perform anything other than how he always does e.g. walk-forward, pressure fighter. I really dont think he has another plan and whatever short falls Mitchell may have he absolutely boxed the 'heed' off Prescott and showed some steel and toughness too. The kid has never remotely been close to losing to someone of the level of Youssef Al Hamidi, unlike Murray.

Lets get this right, Murray is susceptible to losing to someone who will box the head off him, partly due to the fact that his feet are always firmly planted. IMO Mitchell has the perfect style and ring craft to do just that (ala his performance against Prescott). Mitchell is leagues above the likes Lee McAllister and I dont see that fight being a blue-print as to how Murray-Mitchell would pan out.

If Johanneson can cause Mitchell so much bother, so can Murray though. It's a fascinating fight. Which we'll probably never see.

states wrote:If Johanneson can cause Mitchell so much bother, so can Murray though. It's a fascinating fight. Which we'll probably never see.

Valid point. It does put a doubt against Mitchell.

However personally, I think Mitchell chose to get involved in that type of toe-to-toe fight with Johansson. It was completely unnecessary for Mitchell to have fought like that and he acknowledged as much immediately after the fight and was critical of himself for doing so suggesting he would learn the lesson.

To be fair Mitchell appears to have learnt his lesson, thus demonstrated by his performances since his fight with Johansson. Next week's fight with Katsidis is gonna be real interesting.

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:it will be bad crack for him if he ends up grafting his bollocks of for years and years, getting punched, banging his hands up and getting in wars like a similar warrior from the Manchester area who has recently without getting the kind of shot he merits and a chance to put some decent wedge in the bank. No disrespect to Mr Moore but I think the general feeling is he too had some world "potential" at least but didn't end up getting the big shot, on top of what he achieved.

No offence taken fella, quite agree with ya.

Mooresy wrote:

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:it will be bad crack for him if he ends up grafting his bollocks of for years and years, getting punched, banging his hands up and getting in wars like a similar warrior from the Manchester area who has recently without getting the kind of shot he merits and a chance to put some decent wedge in the bank. No disrespect to Mr Moore but I think the general feeling is he too had some world "potential" at least but didn't end up getting the big shot, on top of what he achieved.

No offence taken fella, quite agree with ya.

ya gave me a fookin heart attack there man when I saw you'd commented. Phew.

all the best Jamie