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who do you guys think is our best ever fighter , who did not win a world title , e.g W.B.C , W.B.A , I.B.F , W.B.O
ill start by putting down 2 .
TROY WATERS
TONY MUNDINE

iceman wrote:who do you guys think is our best ever fighter , who did not win a world title , e.g W.B.C , W.B.A , I.B.F , W.B.O
ill start by putting down 2 .
TROY WATERS
TONY MUNDINE

Snr or Jnr? Cause neither have won a full World Title


WBA 'regular' does not count

I reckon Jnr should go for WBC Silver

tony mundine snr , the real man

Old timers from the 1930s would say: Jack Carroll.

From the 1950s, Dave Sands would have gone close.

1970s punters would nominate: Charkey Ramon.

For me modern era would be Paul Briggs....

dave sands , thats a good one, was les darcy named world champion , i think he was ?????????????????

iceman wrote:dave sands , thats a good one, was les darcy named world champion , i think he was ?????????????????

No, the version of the world title Darcy held was not recognised internationally as the true middleweight title

I think Vic Patrick is worth a mention

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s worth a mention[/quo ron richards,elly bennett,bobby sinn and hector thompson

^ yeah i thought of elley bennet, i've also heard Tommy Burns was a tough sob, im just not sure why these guys never fought out of Australia

Travel wasn't as easy back then mate.

Tinnie wrote:^ yeah i thought of elley bennet, i've also heard Tommy Burns was a tough sob, im just not sure why these guys never fought out of Australia

burns was a top welterweight,foufgt a great fight with american oneill bell, bennett could not get a fight with toweel in south africa because of whitev black ban, toweel would not come here, bennett fought curruthers, curruthers won ,went over and flattened toweel, sinn should have got a shot at the title when curruthers retired, all the best

it has to be briggs he gave Adamek his two toughest fights i actually think he should have one the first one and second was at best a draw

You can have Joe Bugner if you like, he' been there long enough

Roars Like Me wrote:You can have Joe Bugner if you like, he' been there long enough

didn't he win a "world" title??? Doesn't the WBF or whatever it is count? Anyway, why do we have to be lumped with him?

On another note, whatever happened to his son? Didn't he throw his hat in at one stage?

Dave Sands for sure he would have won a world title but the yanks that had it wouldnt fight him.

colin russell wrote:Dave Sands for sure he would have won a world title but the yanks that had it wouldnt fight him.

If Les hadn't got sick in the states it might have been the same.

colin russell wrote:Dave Sands for sure he would have won a world title but the yanks that had it wouldnt fight him.

Sands beat Bobo Olsen twice before Olsen became World Champion. One of those fights was in chicago and was the first Main Event broadcast coast to coast in the USA. Olsen won the title when Sugar Ray Robinson retired for the first time. Sands had died in a traffic accident prior to this. When Olsen won he told the crowd "this should be Dave Sands' belt."

An old guy I knew who knew Sands said that for a world class fighter he was very badly managed.

Tinnie wrote:

iceman wrote:dave sands , thats a good one, was les darcy named world champion , i think he was ?????????????????

No, the version of the world title Darcy held was not recognised internationally as the true middleweight title

Considering that most of the best middleweights in the USA came out here around that time because of boxing's dubious status in the United States and Darcy beat them, his title would be worth more than some of the titles mentioned in this thread.

toppity wrote:

Roars Like Me wrote:You can have Joe Bugner if you like, he' been there long enough

didn't he win a "world" title??? Doesn't the WBF or whatever it is count? Anyway, why do we have to be lumped with him?

On another note, whatever happened to his son? Didn't he throw his hat in at one stage?

Uh oh that means Audley was a World champ too You don't have to belumped with him, Hungary can have him, he was born there I believe.
I read that Joe jnr quit and started a security business.

How about Peter Jackson? John L Sullivan said he would not fight him because "I have never fought a negro and never will. "

Old Fat John was probably afraid of copping a hiding.