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I think Benny wins on points. Too clever for Duran. However it could go the other way.

gambler49 wrote:I think Benny wins on points. Too clever for Duran. However it could go the other way.

I agree. Leonard.

Leonard wins a close decision

i'm a fan of benny leonard and his era but boxing moved on from the 'fencing' type boxing. in the 70's duran was a very hard man at lightweight. i know that ken buchanan gave him hell and so would benny leonard. i do think though that duran would've been too strong, insistant and probably dirty and would've won on points over 12 or stopped him over 15.

For what its worth, Ray Arcel trained Roberto Duran, and knew Benny Leonard in his prime and trained him during his ill-fated comeback. Perhaps no one knew both men as intimately as fighters. Arcel picked Leonard over Duran.

My heart goes with Duran but my common sense goes with Leonard. Leonard by close decision.

Duran wins.

Freddie Brown even proclaimed this.

SUGARRAYSMELEE wrote:Duran wins.

Freddie Brown even proclaimed this.

When did this proclamation occur?

raylawpc wrote:

SUGARRAYSMELEE wrote:Duran wins.

Freddie Brown even proclaimed this.

When did this proclamation occur?

It is in "Hands of Stone" by Christian Giudice, it is a marvelous book, I highly recommend it.

'According to the author Ronald K. Fried, in his book 'Cornermen', Freddie Brown fell into a lasting depression. Randy Gordon, editor of The Ring, told Fried he returned to New York on a plane with Brown. "Freddie cried like a baby on my shoulder", said Gordon."Because he had seen them all. Jack Johnson and Benny Leonard. And Harry Greb. And he was always saying Roberto Duran could probably beat any one of them in his prime.....And then he went out and quit-something that Freddie Brown really could not understand any real fighter doing, much less Roberto Duran". The old cutman locked himself away at home, refused to take calls, stopped even watching fights.'

pg 215, Chapter 15- King of the bars, (paperback edition)

SUGARRAYSMELEE wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

SUGARRAYSMELEE wrote:Duran wins.

Freddie Brown even proclaimed this.

When did this proclamation occur?

It is in "Hands of Stone" by Christian Giudice, it is a marvelous book, I highly recommend it.

'According to the author Ronald K. Fried, in his book 'Cornermen', Freddie Brown fell into a lasting depression. Randy Gordon, editor of The Ring, told Fried he returned to New York on a plane with Brown. "Freddie cried like a baby on my shoulder", said Gordon."Because he had seen them all. Jack Johnson and Benny Leonard. And Harry Greb. And he was always saying Roberto Duran could probably beat any one of them in his prime.....And then he went out and quit-something that Freddie Brown really could not understand any real fighter doing, much less Roberto Duran". The old cutman locked himself away at home, refused to take calls, stopped even watching fights.'

pg 215, Chapter 15- King of the bars, (paperback edition)

Thanks.

SUGARRAYSMELEE wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

SUGARRAYSMELEE wrote:Duran wins.

Freddie Brown even proclaimed this.

When did this proclamation occur?

It is in "Hands of Stone" by Christian Giudice, it is a marvelous book, I highly recommend it.

'According to the author Ronald K. Fried, in his book 'Cornermen', Freddie Brown fell into a lasting depression. Randy Gordon, editor of The Ring, told Fried he returned to New York on a plane with Brown. "Freddie cried like a baby on my shoulder", said Gordon."Because he had seen them all. Jack Johnson and Benny Leonard. And Harry Greb. And he was always saying Roberto Duran could probably beat any one of them in his prime.....And then he went out and quit-something that Freddie Brown really could not understand any real fighter doing, much less Roberto Duran". The old cutman locked himself away at home, refused to take calls, stopped even watching fights.'

pg 215, Chapter 15- King of the bars, (paperback edition)

That Duran could have beaten Jack Johnson and Harry Greb???

Then he was a fool . . .

I wonder if he still felt that way after watching Duran quit against a Welterweight.

Picked Leonard when I voted, but I'm going for Duran now. People find this one very hard to split, #1 and #2 Lightweights. Leonard's style was not old fashioned, he was a very clever boxer. But can he handle the pressure of one of the best ever offensive boxers? He beat sluggers like Tendler, was I believe the only man to stop Welsh, and bigger guys like Britton over shorter distances. To be specific I'd probably pick Duran over 15, Leonard anything shorter or in a rematch. You can't dismiss how highly Arcel rates Leonard though.

Duran over Greb? Get out of here. Even if Johnson wasn't far too big he'd frustrate the hell out of him. Whatever you feel about the ending he didn't have much trouble with Ketchel.