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I posted this on the hypothetical Match-up Game and BoxBuzz reply was this “Sanchez eats him up and spits him out. Lopsided UD.”

Now I strongly disagree with that assertion. Call me crazy but I give Camacho the edge on this fight. First, Camacho speed and movement will pose a tremendous problem for Sanchez. Sanchez did like fighters that came straight at him (i.e. Gomez, Castillo, Lopez), Camacho would never do that. This will be a chess match that I think Camacho at that weight was good enough to win.

Am I that only one who thinks that?

I think a prime Camacho has a chance. Sanchez has gotten a little mythologized with time but he was not the fastest car in the shed and I see Camacho's speed and movement giving him tons of problems. Of course the flipside is once Hector was tagged hard he mentally crumbled.

First of all your name says it all, you disagree.

However I do think Camacho would give anyone in that weight class competition. I think Sanchez would beat him all things being equal.

Mostly I just wanted to move on to the Battling Maxo Vs Joe Palooka scenario, so I didn't give your thoughtful matchup the respect it deserved.

dempseyfire wrote:I think a prime Camacho has a chance. Sanchez has gotten a little mythologized with time but he was not the fastest car in the shed and I see Camacho's speed and movement giving him tons of problems. Of course the flipside is once Hector was tagged hard he mentally crumbled.

I agree with that detail. However, Camacho does had a under-rated chin and I only saw him truly hurt against Rosario. I don't think Sanchez had that kind of power. Sanchez was better suited for pressure fighters. Camacho's style is all wrong for Sanchez in my opinion.

Idisagree wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:However, Camacho does had a under-rated chin and I only saw him truly hurt against Rosario.

He completely changed as a fighter afterwards and didn't want to expose himself. Would you say Wlad does had D a under-rated chin because of his fights post Sanders and Brewster I?

dempseyfire wrote:I think a prime Camacho has a chance. Sanchez has gotten a little mythologized with time but he was not the fastest car in the shed and I see Camacho's speed and movement giving him tons of problems. Of course the flipside is once Hector was tagged hard he mentally crumbled.

I agree. Though I am a fan of Salvadors' coolness, guts, stamina and style too many people who have not seen him box (or seen highlights) say that he was an out and out destroyer. He wasn't. He was great, no doubt, but he wasn't a monster KO machine. He never boxed at junior lightweight and Camacho was one hell of a fighter at 130lbs and very hard to catch even once. He had decent power as well and brilliant legs. Over 12 rounds Salvador would be pretty widely outpointed; over 15 Sanchez would make it closer but still lose.

Jaywheel wrote:

Idisagree wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:However, Camacho does had a under-rated chin and I only saw him truly hurt against Rosario.

He completely changed as a fighter afterwards and didn't want to expose himself. Would you say Wlad does had D a under-rated chin because of his fights post Sanders and Brewster I?

That is a good point and I agree that he became a safety first type of fighter. However, there is a huge difference between Wlad’s and Camacho’s competition. Camacho’s competition is completely light years ahead of Wlad’s, in completely another level.

For instance, what puncher has Wlad faced after those fights that you mention? The answer is Peter and he was almost KO by him. How many times was Wlad hurt in that fight? He had to hold on for dear life.

On the other hand, after Rosario, Camacho’s resume has Mancini, JC Chavez, Trinidad, Duran (granted way past his prime), and a prime DLH. He took everything from Chavez, Trinidad, and DLH and stood right there. He wasn’t even hurt in those fights.

You need to pick a better example because Wlad is a horrible example to compare to Camacho.

I guess it depends on what you classify as "hurt". Against Chavez and De La Hoya he did seem to be hurt a couple of times although he was not close to getting knocked out. Agree that he had an underrated chin: at least he certainly did not have a glass jaw or anything like that.

A lot of people might not be familair with the young Camacho. He was totally different than the older version. He had great hand speed, was agressive and was fun to watch. He was not the runner that he usually was after the Rosario fight.

He would have been a tough fight for almost anyone at 130.
Sanchez was often a slow starter. I think Camacho takes the early lead, but Sanchez would gradually take over and wins on points.

At both 130 & 135lbs, Camacho was an excellent fighter, & a match for a lot of guys.

I used to think it was just ignorance to this which led people to focus on his, "running," & really drive his rep into the ground. Now, I see it as deliberately not giving him his due, because he is so intensely disliked.

With Camacho's blinding handspeed, and southpaw stance, he's not going to give Sanchez alot of opportunities to counterpunch. I could see Hector pulling out a SD.

funny, were matching two fighters who's career have totally different path..
one fighter's career was cut short by untimely death, the other is staying far too long.

Camacho by MD win.

simon fox wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:I think a prime Camacho has a chance. Sanchez has gotten a little mythologized with time but he was not the fastest car in the shed and I see Camacho's speed and movement giving him tons of problems. Of course the flipside is once Hector was tagged hard he mentally crumbled.

I agree. Though I am a fan of Salvadors' coolness, guts, stamina and style too many people who have not seen him box (or seen highlights) say that he was an out and out destroyer. He wasn't. He was great, no doubt, but he wasn't a monster KO machine. He never boxed at junior lightweight and Camacho was one hell of a fighter at 130lbs and very hard to catch even once. He had decent power as well and brilliant legs. Over 12 rounds Salvador would be pretty widely outpointed; over 15 Sanchez would make it closer but still lose.

seconded, good post IMO

Goodnight, Irene wrote:At both 130 & 135lbs, Camacho was an excellent fighter, & a match for a lot of guys.I used to think it was just ignorance to this which led people to focus on his, "running," & really drive his rep into the ground. Now, I see it as deliberately not giving him his due, because he is so intensely disliked.

aye, its the matchup dimension that makes Camacho a dangerous hypothetical opponent, so to say.

take a combination of two of the fastest hands and feet you'll ever see, with a fair dash of skill and a very, very under-rated chin, and there aren't many fighters who won't struggle with him.

Again with the under-rated chin... who ever said that Macho was Glass-jawed?

Goodnight, Irene wrote:At both 130 & 135lbs, Camacho was an excellent fighter, & a match for a lot of guys.

I used to think it was just ignorance to this which led people to focus on his, "running," & really drive his rep into the ground. Now, I see it as deliberately not giving him his due, because he is so intensely disliked.

Do you really think that people let their personal opionon of a person affect their opinion of him as a fighter? On this forum?
As for Camacho, certainly a lot of people can't stand him and they don't give him his due. However, for much of his career he was a runner who threw a handful of punches a round and was usually able to fool judges and announcers with his clowning.
Early in his career when he fought at 130 and 135 he showed that he really had a lot of ability. It looked like he might go on to be one of the All-Time Greats. He just stopped using his ability very much after the Rosario fight.

Jaywheel wrote:Again with the under-rated chin... who ever said that Macho was Glass-jawed?

well, people tend to think 'Runner' = no toughness.

and i'd say camacho's chin- the Camacho who went 12 with JCC and Tito- was excellent, and doesn't get mentioned enough. that's all. cheers.

It would have been tight but Sanchez had the better temperament and knew how to put in a big round when he needed it most. I feel he would have outgamed Camacho.

Sanchez wins this by UD, I think he could even pull off a late round TKO.

Don't get me wrong, El Macho was a GREAT fighter but you're putting him against Salvador Sanchez.