Am I the only one...

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 06 Nov 2003, 19:05

...who thought Matt Macklin was unlucky. Facey's a good pro, and it's nice to see someone like him win an English title, but I still thought Macklin did enough to win.
Maybe I'm just a bad judge.

TT · Post by TT » 06 Nov 2003, 19:21

Well I (Not being biased to Facey because I dislike the Sports Network stable) was happy and agreed with the Facey victory

Another Warren hope bites the dust

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 06 Nov 2003, 19:39

I have to say I had Macklin 6 rounds to 4. Facey is an out and out nightmare to box, but Macklin's last round won it for me, however in such a close fight you can make arguments for either boxer.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 06 Nov 2003, 19:42

Were you at the show, Ulysses?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 07 Nov 2003, 04:50

I made Facey a big winner, by at least 4 rounds. I stopped scoring the fight because I figured that I might have been influenced by drink and the fact that I was in a noisy Sheffield pub.

Either way, Facey, to me, bossed the contest from halfway and might have got Macklin out of there had he stepped on the gas in the 8th and 9th. Sadly, for a "prospect", Macklin bordered on being abysmal. I just don't see where he can go. Facey is very, very crude and the only thing he has going for him is his sheer awkwardness and a reasonable dig (which is hindered more often than not by arm punches and slaps).

Priff · Post by **Priff** » 07 Nov 2003, 05:04

I thought Facey shaded it. Macklin certainly had good moments, but Facey usually left those exchanges having the final word. And of course all the work on the outside was his.

However, I was still quite surprised when his hand was raised. I was expecting the nod to be given to the younger, house fighter.

I was also surprised at the English belt. Looked like a a standard leather belt with a couple of lighters superglued on to it.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 07 Nov 2003, 05:50

I picked Facey (mainly because I've never been impressed with Macklin) but I wouldn't have been too outraged had Macklin got the decision, he did land his fair share of punches in there and tried to keep the pressure on most of the way through.

What a strange looking fighter Facey is though. I guess he's just fortunate to have good punch resistance because that chin is just hanging up there begging to be clipped.

Facey will probably get a British title shot but I feel Moore would be a little too dynamic and persistant for him. Macklin looked a little clueless in there at times last night.

Having said all that I'd love to see Macklin v Walker one day in the near future.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 07 Nov 2003, 05:58

I didn't score it but it looked about a draw - either way couldn't argue. Good to see ref go against the house fighter for a change though..

I'd never seen either box before, but I wasn't impressed with Macklin at all ( though he did show heart ) looked like he'd found his level sooner than expected.

Mitchell though ( yes it's early ) looks like he could be the real deal - but that guy he was in with last night...just laughable.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 07 Nov 2003, 06:08

MightyWarrior wrote:Mitchell though ( yes it's early ) looks like he could be the real deal - but that guy he was in with last night...just laughable.

Yep I have to say I'm thoroughly on the Mitchell bandwagon. I honestly think he could be the best fighter in this country since Naz.

Guys like Arthur, Gomez, Lear etc just look so mortal by comparison. Not saying he could go and beat them right now but he'll surely be up there with them in no time.

Pity you don't get Mitchell and Roman Greenberg on the same show - the two prettiest (style wise) boxers in Britain at the moment.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 07 Nov 2003, 06:29

lightsoot wrote:I made Facey a big winner, by at least 4 rounds. I stopped scoring the fight because I figured that I might have been influenced by drink and the fact that I was in a noisy Sheffield pub.

Either way, Facey, to me, bossed the contest from halfway and might have got Macklin out of there had he stepped on the gas in the 8th and 9th. Sadly, for a "prospect", Macklin bordered on being abysmal. I just don't see where he can go. Facey is very, very crude and the only thing he has going for him is his sheer awkwardness and a reasonable dig (which is hindered more often than not by arm punches and slaps).

I was at the fight and so in no way will I attempt to call how the result should have gone, I am too biased. I make Jubbly look impartial with regards to this fight.

To say Facey is crude though Lightsoot is wrong. The man is sooo awkward I could scream, but crude is the wrong word. He is well schooled and can judge distances well. If he was crued Macklin would have eaten him up, believe me.

I find your assessment of Macklin as being abysmal disappointing. He was in his first ten round fight against a big, awkward Ingle fighter. I think he gave his all and showed some good moves. Ultimately his lack of speed will probably be his undoing, but the lad is a cracking boxer and will prove it against more orthadox opposition.

Rant over.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 07 Nov 2003, 06:42

TerribleTerry wrote:
lightsoot wrote:I made Facey a big winner, by at least 4 rounds. I stopped scoring the fight because I figured that I might have been influenced by drink and the fact that I was in a noisy Sheffield pub.

Either way, Facey, to me, bossed the contest from halfway and might have got Macklin out of there had he stepped on the gas in the 8th and 9th. Sadly, for a "prospect", Macklin bordered on being abysmal. I just don't see where he can go. Facey is very, very crude and the only thing he has going for him is his sheer awkwardness and a reasonable dig (which is hindered more often than not by arm punches and slaps).
I was at the fight and so in no way will I attempt to call how the result should have gone, I am too biased. I make Jubbly look impartial with regards to this fight.

To say Facey is crude though Lightsoot is wrong. The man is sooo awkward I could scream, but crude is the wrong word. He is well schooled and can judge distances well. If he was crued Macklin would have eaten him up, believe me.

I find your assessment of Macklin as being abysmal disappointing. He was in his first ten round fight against a big, awkward Ingle fighter. I think he gave his all and showed some good moves. Ultimately his lack of speed will probably be his undoing, but the lad is a cracking boxer and will prove it against more orthadox opposition.

Rant over.

Terry

I was not having a malicious pop at Macklin, he comes across as a nice guy on the box. By your own admission you desperately wanted Matthew to win. First 10 round fight or whatever, I was judging Macklin as a bonafide prospect and he bombed. I was extremely disappointed by what I saw, frustrated would be a better way of describing it.

You label Facey as "awkward", I still believe that's a euphemism for crude. If you're a boxer who is looking to go places then surely you dispose of Facey, whether he's a slick Ingle fighter or not? Macklin lacked speed, a gas tank, ideas, and a punch with which to turn the fight around. Additionally it's well documented that Matthew suffers with his hands.

I'd be astounded if Macklin makes something of his career based on what I saw last night. I'd be delighted if I was wrong because I don't like our so called better prospects failing to deliver. I stress I'm not taking any satisfaction in criticising you or Macklin whatsoever.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 07 Nov 2003, 06:56

Lightoot, I must admit to a sense of disappointment myself.
Macklin lives for the game and is dedicated to it, for this reason I thought he would be a little more well rounded.

People who describe him as a show pony or some time model have him all wrong. I was expecting a demolition job based around effective body work, but it never materialised.
It was a close fight but, as you say, if Macklin was the real deal he should have delt with Facey handily. This he did not do.

Back to the drawing board I am afraid but I appreciate your honest comments.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 07 Nov 2003, 08:52

Clearly, I am the only one.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 07 Nov 2003, 08:55

bennie wrote:Clearly, I am the only one.

Bennie, didn't see the fight (doh - as much as I post here I forgot!). I think the combination of Superstars and Chris Ryan probably hurt the fight skool TV ratings.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 07 Nov 2003, 15:48

I also missed the fight, i'm disappointed as i thought Macklin could go far, oh well Harrison, Arthur, Macklin etc next prospect please....

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 07 Nov 2003, 15:50

macklin took the fight too early, damm that fight skool

maybe macklin best weight was at welter weight,

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 07 Nov 2003, 15:51

bennie wrote:Clearly, I am the only one.

no allegedly and maloney

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 08 Nov 2003, 11:39

I finally got round to watching the Macklin fight this morning and gave it to him by a round, I scored the 6th even.

Watching the fight I still believe macklin has a good future, this is just the sort of fight the likes of Arthur could have done with on the way up. So what, at age 21 in his 10th fight he loses a close decision to a big, more experienced Junior-Middle, hurt him plenty, wasn't exposed in anyway (chin, stamina e.t.c) and can learn so much from the fight.

All this stock people put in unbeaten records is laughable, Macklin will have gotten more last night than from 10 easy ko's.

He didn't get flattened, shown to have a really bad defence e.t.c, we certainly haven't seen the last of Macklin...

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 08 Nov 2003, 12:39

Goz wrote:I finally got round to watching the Macklin fight this morning and gave it to him by a round, I scored the 6th even.

Watching the fight I still believe macklin has a good future, this is just the sort of fight the likes of Arthur could have done with on the way up. So what, at age 21 in his 10th fight he loses a close decision to a big, more experienced Junior-Middle, hurt him plenty, wasn't exposed in anyway (chin, stamina e.t.c) and can learn so much from the fight.

All this stock people put in unbeaten records is laughable, Macklin will have gotten more last night than from 10 easy ko's.

He didn't get flattened, shown to have a really bad defence e.t.c, we certainly haven't seen the last of Macklin...

Good post Goz, I think Macklin was winning the early rounds on body punching alone and he was taking most of Facey's shots on the gloves early on. In fact I would go so far as saying it was a good performance by Matthew upon reflection.
I've watched the fight again and am more confident in saying I thought Macklin won. I'd pick him against Walker in a real cracker, he's still got a future.