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Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 10 Jul 2010, 14:57
by gambler49
HW = Clay, Louis, Holmes
LHW = Tunney, Charles, Moore
MW = Greb, Robinson, Monzon. - - This one is hard wiv so many others. Also u could alter 2&3.
WW = Robinson, Ray Leonard, Griffith
LW = Ben Leonard, Duran, Gans (this was a hard call)
FW(126) = Pep, Saddler, Chocolate
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 10 Jul 2010, 17:44
by SaadOffTheDeck
Heavy
Louis
Ali
Holmes
Lt Heavy
Charles
Moore
Tunney
Middle
Hagler
Greb
Monzon
Welter
Robinson
Armstrong
Gavilan
Light
Duran
Leonard
Whitaker
Feather
Pep
Saddler
Attell
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 10 Jul 2010, 19:07
by dempseyfire
Names in no particular order
HW:
Ali, Louis, Johnson
LHW:
Langford, Charles, Tunney
MW:
Greb, Monzon, Hagler
WW:
Robinson,Leonard, Walcott
LW:
Armstrong, Leonard, Gans
FW:
Pep, Attell, Driscoll
BW:
Jofre, Brown, McGovern
FLW:
Wilde, LaBarba, Villa
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 11 Jul 2010, 00:19
by Goodnight, Irene
dempseyfire wrote:Names in no particular order
HW:
Ali, Louis, Johnson
LHW:
Langford, Charles, Tunney
MW:
Greb, Monzon, Hagler
WW:
Robinson,Leonard, Walcott
LW:
Armstrong, Leonard, Gans
FW:
Pep, Attell, Driscoll
BW:
Jofre, Brown, McGovern
FLW:
Wilde, LaBarba, Villa
Good call with LaBarba.
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 11 Jul 2010, 00:27
by Goodnight, Irene
gambler49 wrote:HW = Clay, Louis, Holmes
LHW = Tunney, Charles, Moore
MW = Greb, Robinson, Monzon. - - This one is hard wiv so many others. Also u could alter 2&3.
WW = Robinson, Ray Leonard, Griffith
LW = Ben Leonard, Duran, Gans (this was a hard call)
FW(126) = Pep, Saddler, Chocolate
In no order...
HW:
Foreman
Ali
Louis
LHW:
Charles
Tunney
Moore
MW:
Monzon
Greb
Robinson
WW:
Robinson
Armstrong
Gavilan
LW:
Leonard
Gans
Williams
FW:
Pep
Sanchez
Saddler
Welter was the toughest for me, but Light, too, was mighty close.
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 11 Jul 2010, 03:34
by Ezzard
Ali, Louis, Johnson
Charles, Tunney, Moore
Greb, Monzon, Robinson
Robinson, Griffiths, Leonard (R)
Duran, Gans, Leonard (B)
Armstrong, Pep, Saddler
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 11 Jul 2010, 15:56
by Ambling Alp
Heavy-Ali, Louis,Foreman
Light Heavy-Spinks, Charles, Tunney
Middle-Monzon, Hagler, Greb
Welter-Robinson, Leonard, Armstrong
Light-Duran,Gans, Leonard
Feather-Sanchez,Pep,Saddler
Bantam-Jofre,Harada,Zarate
Fly-Wilde,Perez,Lynch
Picking the three featherweights and the three middleweights were the easiest for me.
Light heavy and bantam were the hardest. You could have easily picked three different guys for each of these weight classes.
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 11 Jul 2010, 18:49
by Goodnight, Irene
Ambling Alp wrote:Heavy-Ali, Louis,Foreman
Light Heavy-Spinks, Charles, Tunney
Middle-Monzon, Hagler, Greb
Welter-Robinson, Leonard, Armstrong
Light-Duran,Gans, Leonard
Feather-Sanchez,Pep,Saddler
Bantam-Jofre,Harada,Zarate
Fly-Wilde,Perez,Lynch
Picking the three featherweights and the three middleweights were the easiest for me.
Light heavy and bantam were the hardest. You could have easily picked three different guys for each of these weight classes.
It wasn't difficult to pick Sanchez over Armstrong?
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 07:51
by Ambling Alp
Not all. Two or three years ago there was a topic about rating the featherweights. Armstrong was not nearly as good at featherweight as he was at lightweight and welterweight. He lost several times at that weight class. He is barely top 10 at featherweight.
Of course now people are going to freak out and say how can you say that about Henry Armstrong. I don't think a lot of people actually look at what a fighter did at a certain weight class. They know someone was great and fought at several weight classes annd just assume they were as good at the lower weight class as the higher. That is clearly not the case here.
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 15:24
by raylawpc
To do this, I picked the top fighter from (a) pre-Dempsey era; (b) post-Dempsey era to 1960; and 1960 through 1980s.
Thus, my selections are in no particular order:
Heavyweight:
Jim Jeffries
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Light-heavyweight:
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Bob Foster
Middleweight:
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ray Robinson
Carlos Monzon
Welterweight:
Joe Walcott
Ray Robinson
Jose Napoles
Lightweight:
Kid Lavigne
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Featherweight:
George Dixon
Willie Pep
Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight:
George Dixon
Manuel Ortiz
Ruben Olivares
Flyweight:
Jimmy Wilde
Pascual Perez
Miguel Canto
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 13 Jul 2010, 00:25
by Grimm
HW = Ali, Louis, Holmes
LHW = Spinks, Charles, Moore
MW = Greb, Hagler, Monzon.
WW = Robinson, Ray Leonard, Armstrong
LW = Leonard, Duran, Gans
FW(126) = Pep, Saddler, Attell
These aren't in order
I know you guys will disagree with Lightheavy as well
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 13 Jul 2010, 04:41
by Ezzard
raylawpc wrote:To do this, I picked the top fighter from (a) pre-Dempsey era; (b) post-Dempsey era to 1960; and 1960 through 1980s.
Thus, my selections are in no particular order:
Heavyweight:
Jim Jeffries
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Light-heavyweight:
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Bob Foster
Middleweight:
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ray Robinson
Carlos Monzon
Welterweight:
Joe Walcott
Ray Robinson
Jose Napoles
Lightweight:
Kid Lavigne
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Featherweight:
George Dixon
Willie Pep
Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight:
George Dixon
Manuel Ortiz
Ruben Olivares
Flyweight:
Jimmy Wilde
Pascual Perez
Miguel Canto
Ray, in many ways your methodology is the best approach to this exercise.
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 13 Jul 2010, 06:07
by Ezzard
Using Ray's method...
Heavy
Johnson
Louis
Ali
Light-Heavy
Langford
Charles
Spinks
Middle
Fitzsimmons
Greb
Monzon
Welter
Walcott
Robinson
Griffiths
Light
Gans
Armstrong
Duran
Feather
Attell
Pep/Saddler
Sanchez
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 13 Jul 2010, 11:43
by raylawpc
Ezzard wrote:raylawpc wrote:To do this, I picked the top fighter from (a) pre-Dempsey era; (b) post-Dempsey era to 1960; and 1960 through 1980s.
Thus, my selections are in no particular order:
Heavyweight:
Jim Jeffries
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Light-heavyweight:
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Bob Foster
Middleweight:
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ray Robinson
Carlos Monzon
Welterweight:
Joe Walcott
Ray Robinson
Jose Napoles
Lightweight:
Kid Lavigne
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Featherweight:
George Dixon
Willie Pep
Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight:
George Dixon
Manuel Ortiz
Ruben Olivares
Flyweight:
Jimmy Wilde
Pascual Perez
Miguel Canto
Ray, in many ways your methodology is the best approach to this exercise.
Thank you, Ezzard.
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 24 Sep 2010, 04:03
by lucaselrey
HOW COULD U NOT PUT HAGLER!
Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)
Posted: 27 Sep 2010, 18:50
by elmersalsa
gambler49 wrote:HW = Clay, Louis, Holmes
LHW = Tunney, Charles, Moore
MW = Greb, Robinson, Monzon. - - This one is hard wiv so many others. Also u could alter 2&3.
WW = Robinson, Ray Leonard, Griffith
LW = Ben Leonard, Duran, Gans (this was a hard call)
FW(126) = Pep, Saddler, Chocolate
HW = Ali, Louis, Johnson
LHW = Charles, Moore, Loughran
MW = Monzon, Robinson, Hagler
WW = Robinson, Armstrong, Gavilan
LW = Duran, Gans, Benny Leonard
FW = Pep, Saddler, Chocolate
BW = Jofre, Panama Al Brown, Zarate
FW = Wilde, Perez, Canto or Villa