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i real hope this fight if it happens is the build up to something big. Otherwise im starting to loose faith in the Green machines confidence.
He needs to go after another title or drop back down to light light heavy and wreak havoc down there....................

Something big?????????????

Is fighting a Man mountain who is big Heavy weight not a Big fight???
Shane Cameron at cruiser is a tough ask for anyone. If Green Beats him then he will be one of the Top guys at the weight.

shane cameron is pretty average to watch he is ranked 99 in the world at heavy weight by boxrec , danny green is ranked #3 at cruiser weight.

maybe he is just trying to test himself against a heavier opponent before he takes on the actual cruiser division, as a few of those fellAs in the top ten are a lot bigger than green.

if he fights cameron you would assume it would be around september giving him another couple of months for a big one close to new years .

i realy hope its building up to something though , guess you cant blame him for not being busy though this his 3rd defense in 8 months not bad going realy most title holders are to affraid to fight anyone incase they loose it

scottearley123456 wrote:shane cameron is pretty average to watch he is ranked 99 in the world at heavy weight by boxrec , danny green is ranked #3 at cruiser weight.

maybe he is just trying to test himself against a heavier opponent before he takes on the actual cruiser division, as a few of those fellAs in the top ten are a lot bigger than green.

if he fights cameron you would assume it would be around september giving him another couple of months for a big one close to new years .

i realy hope its building up to something though , guess you cant blame him for not being busy though this his 3rd defense in 8 months not bad going realy most title holders are to affraid to fight anyone incase they loose it

Confirms our ratings are kids toy :P

AntonS wrote:

scottearley123456 wrote:shane cameron is pretty average to watch he is ranked 99 in the world at heavy weight by boxrec , danny green is ranked #3 at cruiser weight.

maybe he is just trying to test himself against a heavier opponent before he takes on the actual cruiser division, as a few of those fellAs in the top ten are a lot bigger than green.

if he fights cameron you would assume it would be around september giving him another couple of months for a big one close to new years .

i realy hope its building up to something though , guess you cant blame him for not being busy though this his 3rd defense in 8 months not bad going realy most title holders are to affraid to fight anyone incase they loose it

Confirms our ratings are kids toy :P

yeah true its a point system isnt it that can carry points from other divisions isnt it ?

no reason green couldnt be #3 though

AntonS wrote:

scottearley123456 wrote:shane cameron is pretty average to watch he is ranked 99 in the world at heavy weight by boxrec , danny green is ranked #3 at cruiser weight.

maybe he is just trying to test himself against a heavier opponent before he takes on the actual cruiser division, as a few of those fellAs in the top ten are a lot bigger than green.

if he fights cameron you would assume it would be around september giving him another couple of months for a big one close to new years .

i realy hope its building up to something though , guess you cant blame him for not being busy though this his 3rd defense in 8 months not bad going realy most title holders are to affraid to fight anyone incase they loose it

Confirms our ratings are kids toy :P

I know its a little off subject and i dont mean to be a pain in the arse Anton, but could you give us a layman's definition on how boxrec rank fighters? There was an interesting topic in the BOTP section a little back on how losses reflect on a record. I think N'Dou's opponents (despite his losses) are some of the toughest since the calibre Tszyu faced for an Australian boxer, yet he's currently ranked #17 p4p in the rankings for Oz. Im not nitpicking but finding it hard to understand the rankings in many circumstances.

Greeny was on abc radio over the weekend talking about the fight with Briggs and what the future holds. besides making his feelings for fenech very clear, he did state that unifying titles is definately on the agenda BUT boxing is a business and businesses make money.
Why would Green go and fight for very little when he can fight Cameron and have a mega fight in these parts of the world. Do forget prior to the Tua fight Cameron was spoken of highly. Cameron ran into a very focused Tua that night. I for one hope Green goes after another title holder, but Cameron is by no need a soft opponent.

I would watch the fight but would rather see him fight another title holder.
Who knows, he may be rematching Briggs if Paul KO's him tomorrow night, which may not be likely but is possible the way Paul fights.

dan h wrote:I would watch the fight but would rather see him fight another title holder.
Who knows, he may be rematching Briggs if Paul KO's him tomorrow night, which may not be likely but is possible the way Paul fights.

very true. would briggsy let him have a rematch ? chocs got a win over him and is going to hold onto that for as long as possible.

as for cameron i realy cant say that ive been impressed by the fights ive seen. if it goes ahead green will dance around him poping out big shots at will with cameron getting tired from chasing green for 10 rounds then green lands a bomb shakes cameron maybe knocks him out or maybe just drops him.

i realy realy wanna see green v cunningham cos he is a big cruiser and would test green big time,

Problem is, while Cameron is a heavyweight, he doesn't carry a lot of fat and would have to lose some muscle to get to cruiserweight. Surely this would weaken him somewhat - I suppose we will have to wait and see him tomorrow before making a judgement. If he doesn't win impressively (preferably a KO) then Green-Cameron won't excite anyone. Cameron's stock will also have gone down since Tua's lucky draw with Monte Barret - a C level heavyweight.

I am still not convinced Cameron can lose that much weight without weakening himself.

He would not want to weaken himself and go against a big hitter like Green.

I think it show cases Danny's inability to back himself, most of the world is getting less and less interested, after Green smashed RJJ he had an opportunity to capitilize but failed, he went after old man like Calzaghe did when he tried to lure Hopkins and Tarver for some big paydays who neither can get these days. I undrstand even tho most don't about Siacca, because thats a notch on the belt over Choc, Briggs will be a cracker, but again its a win/win for Briggs and a Win/loss situation for Briggs, when Briggs Loses he walks away with a decent payday, and gets the excuse of being inactive for 3 years, Green wins thats about all the credit he gets, it means little to boxing historians/scribes who know the game will consider it just that...a man beating a ruster and possibly finished fighter who never reached the peak that he could have before retiring....still anything is possible with Briggs and trully believe that.

Green vs Cameron is a joke, Green smashes his glass jaw in 2, biggest event in this region have you all gone mad! Cameron is'nt and hasn't been ranked anywhere near the top 25 in the more credible rating systems, and even in Boxrecs laughable system is ranked 99, an old Bob Mirovic severely troubled Cameron....when did Cameron become so well known in this country, to make it a huge event?

Green needs to fight an actual cruiserweight, no more fornicating around with making people come up or down, just for fucks sake fight someone who makes the weight at the limit.


If Green can't get underpaid Cruisers to come here and fight him he's promotional team need a third party, like Gary Shaw or the like. It's well known that Cruisers are underpaid, and the money that Green is paying would be the equivelent of 3 of there fights.
No more excuses, theres plenty of Cruisers who are fighting each other for no title and less money, it's a business i get, but you also need balls in Business, and the balls that Danny is shown seem to be shrinking,.

Lebedev just smashed Alexeev in 2, Alexeev made Ammann look like an Amatuer and dispatched him rather embarresingly in 2, IMO Ammann is at the top domestically atm, and ranks no where in the world after that performance so why is Green worrying about fights down here.

Honestly, i have all his doco's, i have a framed picture i follow everything the bloke has done and accredit him for igniting an interset in me again for domestic boxing, but ficken hell i'm growing tired of this shitt and the excuses.

Brute wrote:I am still not convinced Cameron can lose that much weight without weakening himself.

He would not want to weaken himself and go against a big hitter like Green.

Cameron looked awesome at the weighin today. he weighed 93.7 KGs well under the 95 Kg catchweight limit. I was also told the fight could have happened at the Cruiserweight limit, With the guys being offered a crack at an IBO regional a few weeks back. Cameron was keen but Ammann didnt want to make Cruiser.

Hounddawg wrote:I think it show cases Danny's inability to back himself, most of the world is getting less and less interested, after Green smashed RJJ he had an opportunity to capitilize but failed, he went after old man like Calzaghe did when he tried to lure Hopkins and Tarver for some big paydays who neither can get these days. I undrstand even tho most don't about Siacca, because thats a notch on the belt over Choc, Briggs will be a cracker, but again its a win/win for Briggs and a Win/loss situation for Briggs, when Briggs Loses he walks away with a decent payday, and gets the excuse of being inactive for 3 years, Green wins thats about all the credit he gets, it means little to boxing historians/scribes who know the game will consider it just that...a man beating a ruster and possibly finished fighter who never reached the peak that he could have before retiring....still anything is possible with Briggs and trully believe that.

Green vs Cameron is a joke, Green smashes his glass jaw in 2, biggest event in this region have you all gone mad! Cameron is'nt and hasn't been ranked anywhere near the top 25 in the more credible rating systems, and even in Boxrecs laughable system is ranked 99, an old Bob Mirovic severely troubled Cameron....when did Cameron become so well known in this country, to make it a huge event?

Green needs to fight an actual cruiserweight, no more effing around with making people come up or down, just for fucks sake fight someone who makes the weight at the limit.


If Green can't get underpaid Cruisers to come here and fight him he's promotional team need a third party, like Gary Shaw or the like. It's well known that Cruisers are underpaid, and the money that Green is paying would be the equivelent of 3 of there fights.
No more excuses, theres plenty of Cruisers who are fighting each other for no title and less money, it's a business i get, but you also need balls in Business, and the balls that Danny is shown seem to be shrinking,.

Lebedev just smashed Alexeev in 2, Alexeev made Ammann look like an Amatuer and dispatched him rather embarresingly in 2, IMO Ammann is at the top domestically atm, and ranks no where in the world after that performance so why is Green worrying about fights down here.

Honestly, i have all his doco's, i have a framed picture i follow everything the bloke has done and accredit him for igniting an interset in me again for domestic boxing, but ficken hell i'm growing tired of this shitt and the excuses.

I disagree mate, I think at Cruiser weight Cameron is a huge task for anyone.

Still alot of truthes in it!

iron rhino wrote:Still alot of truthes in it!

There are, But having said that cameron is still a big guy and at cruiser will be a hard task.

ben k wrote:

Hounddawg wrote:I think it show cases Danny's inability to back himself, most of the world is getting less and less interested, after Green smashed RJJ he had an opportunity to capitilize but failed, he went after old man like Calzaghe did when he tried to lure Hopkins and Tarver for some big paydays who neither can get these days. I undrstand even tho most don't about Siacca, because thats a notch on the belt over Choc, Briggs will be a cracker, but again its a win/win for Briggs and a Win/loss situation for Briggs, when Briggs Loses he walks away with a decent payday, and gets the excuse of being inactive for 3 years, Green wins thats about all the credit he gets, it means little to boxing historians/scribes who know the game will consider it just that...a man beating a ruster and possibly finished fighter who never reached the peak that he could have before retiring....still anything is possible with Briggs and trully believe that.

Green vs Cameron is a joke, Green smashes his glass jaw in 2, biggest event in this region have you all gone mad! Cameron is'nt and hasn't been ranked anywhere near the top 25 in the more credible rating systems, and even in Boxrecs laughable system is ranked 99, an old Bob Mirovic severely troubled Cameron....when did Cameron become so well known in this country, to make it a huge event?

Green needs to fight an actual cruiserweight, no more effing around with making people come up or down, just for fucks sake fight someone who makes the weight at the limit.


If Green can't get underpaid Cruisers to come here and fight him he's promotional team need a third party, like Gary Shaw or the like. It's well known that Cruisers are underpaid, and the money that Green is paying would be the equivelent of 3 of there fights.
No more excuses, theres plenty of Cruisers who are fighting each other for no title and less money, it's a business i get, but you also need balls in Business, and the balls that Danny is shown seem to be shrinking,.

Lebedev just smashed Alexeev in 2, Alexeev made Ammann look like an Amatuer and dispatched him rather embarresingly in 2, IMO Ammann is at the top domestically atm, and ranks no where in the world after that performance so why is Green worrying about fights down here.

Honestly, i have all his doco's, i have a framed picture i follow everything the bloke has done and accredit him for igniting an interset in me again for domestic boxing, but ficken hell i'm growing tired of this shitt and the excuses.

I disagree mate, I think at Cruiser weight Cameron is a huge task for anyone.

i agree with dawg totally, green has the tools to do damage in the division he is in, but wont try. did flores not offer to come down here for free?? so y not fight that guy?
and i really dont see cameron being a trouble for green at CW, hes too big, have u looked at the guy, he is not hugely tall fair enuff, but he is a wide human, and very thick front to back, so of course dropping down that much will weaken him. he hasnt fought below 100kegs since 2004, until now of course. so of course that will drain him, look at green v mundine, u cant tell me green wasnt drained that night??? and im sure there are hundreds of other examples. oh yea mundine v carlos, or dominguez, or sanchex or wateva his name was the other week, the man was drained badly to look at, and how he fought, so of course that makes a difference.

im a massive green fan and i realy want to believe that if he were to fight cameron it would be because he wants to test himself at a heavier weight. after all he isnt realy a cruiserweight is he.
used to be a supermiddle , he is right on the limit of light heavy and well and truly under the cruiser limit. most of your top tep cruisers would have up to 6kgs on green (more than half a weight class) . i dont know what he is planning but if he wants anyone in the top five you think he would want to bulk up some . maybe bulking up and fighting somebody far from top shelf like cameron is a good way to test the waters closer to the 90kg mark ? who knows ?

i just hope thats what his plan is or maybe he is trying to build up some cash to get some big names ?

i think eigher way he might have got himself in a rut, he's got a cruiser title that he doesnt want to let go and probably isnt big enuf to get the rest of them. i would love to see him back down at light heavy and clean up that division, lets face he would be stronger than most at lightheavy and certainly has the tool kit to do it.

ben k wrote:

Hounddawg wrote:I think it show cases Danny's inability to back himself, most of the world is getting less and less interested, after Green smashed RJJ he had an opportunity to capitilize but failed, he went after old man like Calzaghe did when he tried to lure Hopkins and Tarver for some big paydays who neither can get these days. I undrstand even tho most don't about Siacca, because thats a notch on the belt over Choc, Briggs will be a cracker, but again its a win/win for Briggs and a Win/loss situation for Briggs, when Briggs Loses he walks away with a decent payday, and gets the excuse of being inactive for 3 years, Green wins thats about all the credit he gets, it means little to boxing historians/scribes who know the game will consider it just that...a man beating a ruster and possibly finished fighter who never reached the peak that he could have before retiring....still anything is possible with Briggs and trully believe that.

Green vs Cameron is a joke, Green smashes his glass jaw in 2, biggest event in this region have you all gone mad! Cameron is'nt and hasn't been ranked anywhere near the top 25 in the more credible rating systems, and even in Boxrecs laughable system is ranked 99, an old Bob Mirovic severely troubled Cameron....when did Cameron become so well known in this country, to make it a huge event?

Green needs to fight an actual cruiserweight, no more effing around with making people come up or down, just for fucks sake fight someone who makes the weight at the limit.

If Green can't get underpaid Cruisers to come here and fight him he's promotional team need a third party, like Gary Shaw or the like. It's well known that Cruisers are underpaid, and the money that Green is paying would be the equivelent of 3 of there fights.
No more excuses, theres plenty of Cruisers who are fighting each other for no title and less money, it's a business i get, but you also need balls in Business, and the balls that Danny is shown seem to be shrinking,.

Lebedev just smashed Alexeev in 2, Alexeev made Ammann look like an Amatuer and dispatched him rather embarresingly in 2, IMO Ammann is at the top domestically atm, and ranks no where in the world after that performance so why is Green worrying about fights down here.

Honestly, i have all his doco's, i have a framed picture i follow everything the bloke has done and accredit him for igniting an interset in me again for domestic boxing, but ficken hell i'm growing tired of this shitt and the excuses.

I disagree mate, I think at Cruiser weight Cameron is a huge task for anyone.

I don't understand how you've come to that conclusion, he hasn't fought there before, it just doesn't register on the world scale of things. It's just an exhibition to see Green waste more time.

I don't think Green will ever fight at the right cruiser limit of 90 kg... I don't see the Cameron fight happening. I see Green having a couple more farce fights at a catcheight of 83 kg and retire a world champion, and in his own mind he will retire a champion never been defeated as a cruiserweight

(Green is lowing himself to Mundines standards)

Trent wrote:I don't think Green will ever fight at the right cruiser limit of 90 kg... I don't see the Cameron fight happening. I see Green having a couple more farce fights at a catcheight of 83 kg and retire a world champion, and in his own mind he will retire a champion never been defeated as a cruiserweight

(Green is lowing himself to Mundines standards)

Massive fan who's hoping he reads what the public is saying, cause i'm starting to believe it's all becoming a circus.

Hounddawg wrote:

Trent wrote:I don't think Green will ever fight at the right cruiser limit of 90 kg... I don't see the Cameron fight happening. I see Green having a couple more farce fights at a catcheight of 83 kg and retire a world champion, and in his own mind he will retire a champion never been defeated as a cruiserweight

(Green is lowing himself to Mundines standards)

Massive fan who's hoping he reads what the public is saying, cause i'm starting to believe it's all becoming a circus.[/quote]
mate im feeling the same, and ive been against this fight from the start for that very reason. its such a shame

After Camerons performance last night I doubt he would give Green much trouble. Please look elsewhere Greeny.

Trent wrote:I don't think Green will ever fight at the right cruiser limit of 90 kg... I don't see the Cameron fight happening. I see Green having a couple more farce fights at a catcheight of 83 kg and retire a world champion, and in his own mind he will retire a champion never been defeated as a cruiserweight

(Green is lowing himself to Mundines standards)

that is so true, boxing keeps getting worse in this nation.

Thank god we have Vic & Mick out there doing us proud

Marlin wrote:After Camerons performance last night I doubt he would give Green much trouble. Please look elsewhere Greeny.

i agree cameron looked at lot bussier at cruiser but thats about it . he is even anywhere near near its like comparing ameature to pro . pitt v cameron would have been a good show