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Don't remember my rounds off-hand, but I do recall having it a draw about two years back. I gave the sixth to Quartey.

i had this fight even as well, 113-113. i gave oscar a 10-7 round in the 12th. had quartey down and then in serious trouble. halpern could have stopped the fight and there wouldn't have been much to complain about.

bjermaine wrote:i had this fight even as well, 113-113. i gave oscar a 10-7 round in the 12th. had quartey down and then in serious trouble. halpern could have stopped the fight and there wouldn't have been much to complain about.

I resisted that temptation, though it is there. I went with 10-8, on the basis there is a huge stretch in that round after De La Hoya is punched out where nothing happens. Had De La Hoya produced one more explosion of punches, I would've given 10-7.

I watched this last week, a fun fight to watch. I did not score it but
in my head I had it close. I think a draw is fair. But it was a fun fight.
Ill sit down and give you my score.

I had a draw as well, very overrated fight imo. Long stretches of both guys doing nothing, but definitely a close and interesting one to score.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I had a draw as well, very overrated fight imo. Long stretches of both guys doing nothing, but definitely a close and interesting one to score.

I actually agree with you that it wasn't some barn-burner (for consistent, exciting action, see De La Hoya's first clash with Mosley), but you have to admit, you'd pay an awful lot to be ringside for that final round

Although it wasnt' as good as the Mosley fight it was much better than the Whitaker fight, where Pernell pretty much knew he'd get wasted if he actually fought to win instead of fighting to make DLH look bad. I gave it to DLH off of the strength of the last round.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Although it wasnt' as good as the Mosley fight it was much better than the Whitaker fight, where Pernell pretty much knew he'd get wasted if he actually fought to win instead of fighting to make DLH look bad. I gave it to DLH off of the strength of the last round.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Although it wasnt' as good as the Mosley fight it was much better than the Whitaker fight, where Pernell pretty much knew he'd get wasted if he actually fought to win instead of fighting to make DLH look bad. I gave it to DLH off of the strength of the last round.

He wasn't laughing when he soon after got smacked around by Tito Trinidad

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Although it wasnt' as good as the Mosley fight it was much better than the Whitaker fight, where Pernell pretty much knew he'd get wasted if he actually fought to win instead of fighting to make DLH look bad. I gave it to DLH off of the strength of the last round.

He wasn't laughing when he soon after got smacked around by Tito Trinidad

Ouch, vicious comeback. Lets try and keep it civil.

I'm keeping it civil, I simply believe Whitaker is an overrated fighter, and that not every fight where he didn't get perfectly dominant scores was a robbery, but this really isn't the thread for that.

That's another knee slapper. You're right that it's the wrong thread. But your comedy stylings are impressive.

BarryWashington wrote:

Diamond WEAPON wrote:I'm keeping it civil, I simply believe Whitaker is an overrated fighter, and that not every fight where he didn't get perfectly dominant scores was a robbery, but this really isn't the thread for that.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:
Overrated?

Quite the opposite, Pernell is underrated if anything. The fact an aging Pernell could beat/draw with a prime Oscar tells you a lot. He absolutely crapped on Julio Cesar Chavez, I haven't seen the first Jose Luis Ramirez/Pernell Whitaker fight, but; in his actual prime he only had one loss (I don't count the ODLH loss since I don't think he lost) against top fighters. Are you sure you've watched Pernell Whitaker fight?

The first Ramirez fight wasn't as close as the Chavez fight. JLR didn't win 7 rounds in two fights. More like none. He never came close to losing in his prime.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

BarryWashington wrote:

The first Ramirez fight wasn't as close as the Chavez fight. JLR didn't win 7 rounds in two fights. More like none. He never came close to losing in his prime.

Seriously? Ha, I'll have to watch then, because if it wasn't even as close to the Chavez fight then Pernell must have completely shut down Ramirez. I'll be sure to watch it ASAP.

It was a total schooling, mind numbingly bad decision. I haven't watched it in a long time, but 10-2 rings a bell.

I once heard/read a conspiracy that the Ramirez decision was influenced by King because he was angry that the Duva's had turned down a fight with Chavez.

Sulaiman was rumoured to be involved in it too somewhere, Ezz.

Barry, Saad is right. Before Chavez, there was Ramirez. Whitaker was robbed blind in that one.

To me, Whitaker has only three losses --- De La Hoya, Trinidad, & Bojorquez. Take a look at that...

1. All three came when Whitaker was out of his natural weightclass & well past his fighting prime.

2. One was, & remains, highly disputed --- & that was against the consensus best of the three who beat him.

3. Two came against a pair of the best fighters of their generation, certain HOFers, each at their peak.

Conclusion? Whitaker is a shoo-in all-timer, & to my mind, a top-10 Lightweight champion (which, in a division so steeped in legends, is akin to being a top 3-5 all-time Heavyweight).

Its frustrating to watch some of Whitakers fights and watch how cruelly he
gets decisions thrown against him.

I did score Oscar vs Pernell some time ago and I had it pretty close.

He's also frustrating to watch because his fights are non-competitive and Whittaker was all about defence.

Best fighter of the 90s and one of the best fighters of my life time.

In response to Irene... I agree with the sentiment but Pernell's best wins are also against fighters fighting above their best weight and who were not at their peaks...

It would have taken a top 10 all-time Lightweight to beat him.

Quartey for sure won, although it wasnt like he was robbed or anything but i gave him the victory by one round.