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Has any journalist or anyone for that matter asked why these pair make such bad matchmaking decisions? I would love to hear an excuse!

philthy wrote:Has any journalist or anyone for that matter asked why these pair make such bad matchmaking decisions? I would love to hear an excuse!

yes, because they know idiots like us pay good money, they will keep milking us while we keep watching,they are supposed to be world beaters, they are in for a big shock when they front up against somebody that can hold their hands up, geale proved that and he is still learning, but i,m worried his handlers will stall his progress, lining mugs up for him, same old story. all the best

Since Green cleaned up Jones in quick time it is hard to convince top fighters to risk the same humiliation.

Mundine? maybe you should ask him.

Brute wrote:Since Green cleaned up Jones in quick time it is hard to convince top fighters to risk the same humiliation.

Mundine? maybe you should ask him.

Mundine and Green part 2

That'd be good a fight for the fans.

Mundine seems to be headed Vic Darchinian's way weight wise. Green will not starve himself down to 12 stone again. Won't happen.

Green's and Mundine's promotions are both on the nose and the Briggs debacle has a particulary bad stench about it.

Paul Kent in today"s Daily Terror, pretty well sums up the bad odour about both the Green and Mundine's recent efforts:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5895862868

But Kent at least says there are still honest fighters and fights out there but further down the totem pole, away from where Green and Mundine sit counting their dollars.

As they say in the classics, when paying for future Green or Mundine bouts: Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware)!

Some of the differences I find between the two are as follows:

* While both have made questionable opponents of late one of the things is that Green regularly talks about big names and good fights, whereas Mundine talks about being the best and how the best are always ducking him. To me this is a big difference in bragging/publicity/etc. Green has made the comments that the big names like Hopkins and Tarver won't fight him - but who has Mundine said dodged him lately? I honestly believe Green more than Mundine when it comes to this. However, Green is known as a big puncher and a risk for that. Mundine is the guy that's popular in Argentina. Both have paper belts yes, but really, since Green KO'd (an over the hill granted) RJJ, who would want to risk that?

* Green at least fills out his card with anticipated good fights/fighters. Mundine not so much.

* Post-retirement Green has fought opponents mostly that were interesting. RJJ had just beat Lacy and looked to be back to form after a horror run of KO's - later it turned out that Lacy was even more washed up and it was a fluke win. Siaca was unanimously a bad choice of opponent both before, during and after their fight. Briggs - people were split. Go back and look at the posts. There were hesitations about Briggs yes - ring rust, condition - but it wasn't touted as such a poor match as it turned out to be. I also don't remember too much negativity about Dominguez or van Nierkerk.
Look at Mundine's last few opponents - Geale was the last fight anyone seemed to get excited about. (And if I go back even further, which isn't fair because I only went post-retirement Green, but maybe Soliman II, back in 2007?) That's a big difference in terms of opponents IMO. And let's not forget that Mundine has had credible opponents challenge him recently. You've got that 18-0 fighter (forgot his name), you've got Geale rematch, you've got Kessler rematch - that he's turned down/dodged. Who has Green turned down lately that it's been publicly known about? Tarver, which is debatable, but he counts.

* Both fighters need to fight credible opponents who are (at least) not far removed from their prime. Do I expect a 37yo Green and a 35yo Mundine to neccessarily fight the younger, hungrier opponents in their divisions? Not really, but I'd like to. However I would like to see them fight more respected, ranked and capable fighters.

While IMO Green is starting to get questionable with his choice of opponents, I still think he is very far from being in the same league as Mundine.

I'd also like to see Green lose the 5kgs or so and just fight light-heavy's.

madball1982 wrote:Some of the differences I find between the two are as follows:

* While both have made questionable opponents of late one of the things is that Green regularly talks about big names and good fights, whereas Mundine talks about being the best and how the best are always ducking him. To me this is a big difference in bragging/publicity/etc. Green has made the comments that the big names like Hopkins and Tarver won't fight him - but who has Mundine said dodged him lately? I honestly believe Green more than Mundine when it comes to this. However, Green is known as a big puncher and a risk for that. Mundine is the guy that's popular in Argentina. Both have paper belts yes, but really, since Green KO'd (an over the hill granted) RJJ, who would want to risk that?

* Green at least fills out his card with anticipated good fights/fighters. Mundine not so much.

* Post-retirement Green has fought opponents mostly that were interesting. RJJ had just beat Lacy and looked to be back to form after a horror run of KO's - later it turned out that Lacy was even more washed up and it was a fluke win. Siaca was unanimously a bad choice of opponent both before, during and after their fight. Briggs - people were split. Go back and look at the posts. There were hesitations about Briggs yes - ring rust, condition - but it wasn't touted as such a poor match as it turned out to be. I also don't remember too much negativity about Dominguez or van Nierkerk.
Look at Mundine's last few opponents - Geale was the last fight anyone seemed to get excited about. (And if I go back even further, which isn't fair because I only went post-retirement Green, but maybe Soliman II, back in 2007?) That's a big difference in terms of opponents IMO. And let's not forget that Mundine has had credible opponents challenge him recently. You've got that 18-0 fighter (forgot his name), you've got Geale rematch, you've got Kessler rematch - that he's turned down/dodged. Who has Green turned down lately that it's been publicly known about? Tarver, which is debatable, but he counts.

* Both fighters need to fight credible opponents who are (at least) not far removed from their prime. Do I expect a 37yo Green and a 35yo Mundine to neccessarily fight the younger, hungrier opponents in their divisions? Not really, but I'd like to. However I would like to see them fight more respected, ranked and capable fighters.

While IMO Green is starting to get questionable with his choice of opponents, I still think he is very far from being in the same league as Mundine.

I'd also like to see Green lose the 5kgs or so and just fight light-heavy's.

yep & ther are a couple of lightheavy's in aus that would give him a decent go,bell,mcconville, only difference is the $$$$$$ factor

I cant see any light heavies in Oz giving Danny a run for his money. People soon forget that Danny was a rank outsider (I know it has been done to death, but it is a fact) against RJJ. He then ko's him and all of a sudden Greeny was fighting a washed up guy. Siaca and Briggs, well yes were passed their prime but I still paid to see it. I am confident Green will be true to his word and supply punters with a very attractive match up next time around (god i hope I am not wrong !!). Choc on the other hand, I just cant see it. When he puts himself and Mayweather in the same sentence how do you take him seriously.

great post madball.objective and intelligent.

ii will apologise for one of my former posts where i said mundine hadnt been iin a half decent fight siince soliiman 2. totallyforgot the Geale one which was very disrespectful to geale and the fight itself. bad jsa bad

good post madball

JSA wrote:great post madball.objective and intelligent.

ii will apologise for one of my former posts where i said mundine hadnt been iin a half decent fight siince soliiman 2. totallyforgot the Geale one which was very disrespectful to geale and the fight itself. bad jsa bad

It's very easy to forget the Geale fight when you think of Mundine opponents, I nearly did too. It also feels like it was forever ago.

Green beat a 41 year old roy jones who was about 12% of the fighter he was, and could no longer take a punch(with or without questionable hand wraps).


Green seems to be a smart cookie i.e knows his limitations and boxes tomatoe cans for fairly decent money.

It would be disastrous for him if he got in with Chad Dawson for example, same if he thought an old tarver.Their is a reason why those fights haven't materialise.He should thank his lucky stars he did'nt run into a prime Joe Calzaghe

Can't wait to see what Green does next.

Hounddawg wrote:Can't wait to see what Green does next.

Dannyweight/Chocweight unification for WBC diamond belt would be good

to 'big lennox"- sould suggest mate that NOBODYwithh half a brain would even considedr suggesting that Green would have beaten o prim Jones Jr. He maay not even have landed a punch. BUT the facts are prior to the RJJ v Greeen bout nearly everyone worte Green ooff aand suugested that it waas a no m braainer win for RJJ. Despite thhe disappointing circus act Green has become i do fee many underestimate him as a fighter. Slick boxers wil near always make him look pedestrian BUT the REAL Green aand the mongrel hardcore motherf...er withhin he used to have is a natural attribute.aand a potentially evil one. If ANY boxer was tolld you have to face danny in a street fight most would shit their pants.The man has that attribute. i hear so often written off and even called a bum. AS IF. He is/was one frightening dude. at the right weight i woulld never hesitate in giving him more than a ?llucky" punch chance. Just my opinion mate.
Sadly he has chosen a path of sub mediocrity for $$$$$$$$. I do hope hhe gives the supporters of old one last glimpse of mongrel vs a live opponent. AAnd if youu think that for a minute that any opponent will dismiss him at night when they are thinking of thhe fight then i feel you are very wrong.IMO.
He has that)or did have)THAT factor. The sort of bloke who if youu pissed off at the local you would leave that venue very quickly. Just hope he gives a top dog a go. Think the true Green could give Satan nightmares.

again lads apologise for the typos. New computer soon.

and yes i agree- Calzaghe would of boxed his ears off. BUT he wouulld be bringing his A game coz Joe has been dropped by fighters with nowhere near Greens power. And i feel you underestimate Greens chin.He is a tough dude. Just sold out. Sadly.Guess we agree to disagree. And dont get me started on Calzaghe- coulld of been a real great buut.....his career to me was juust dISAPPOINTING. i dont like flying.... boo hoo. awesome boxer but..... left an empty feeling in my gut.

I fully appreciate what you are saying, and think Green is very tough, uncompromising fighter, I just feel dissapointed that he has elected to fight 3 totally shots fighters on the trot.I certainly gave Roy Jones next to know chance against him, as he was beyond shot, and really had no business fighting on.

I think its telling that Green opted not to fight Hopkins or Tarver, and has not even mentioned Dawson, so whilst people might be nervous about fighting him, he is obviously not 100% confident in his own abilities either.Just like Mundine for all his talk.I stilGreen l can't beleive he gave up a legitimate shot at winning his world title back against Kessler to feast on journeymen at a lower weight.

Back to Green, he seems like a good, straight forward bloke, but this was a cynical match up, and he will look back with regret a couple of years down the line if he does not box someone good soon, and Shane Cameron, will not cut the mustard for me, I'm afraid.

big lennox wrote:Green beat a 41 year old roy jones who was about 12% of the fighter he was, and could no longer take a punch(with or without questionable hand wraps).


Green seems to be a smart cookie i.e knows his limitations and boxes tomatoe cans for fairly decent money.

It would be disastrous for him if he got in with Chad Dawson for example, same if he thought an old tarver.Their is a reason why those fights haven't materialise.He should thank his lucky stars he did'nt run into a prime Joe Calzaghe

Green challenged Tarver, Hopkins and Dawson. None of them would fight him. How's life on the dole in Sheffield?

I'm never going to understand why everyone thinks Green would have benefited fighting Hopkins or Tarver, he offered the fight they didn't accept and understandably from there point of view because they understand there limitations at there age. They are not the top 2 fighters in there division and haven't been for years so givin there age it was always going to be used to take any shine of a victory by Green.

In Greens Career the only Bloke who gave him hell was Mundine, and if thats the worst he got, i'd be proud and would stand tall. he got robbed in germany twice IMO, so where does all this he's limited crap come from, he beats who ever is put in front of him and of late although names, i havent been impressed either, and now needs to step it up.

Calzaghe vs Green is not a sure beat, but we'll never know, what i do know is Calzaghe was very quick and threw a lot of punch's, his chin was suspect against guys with average power in early rounds,but having never lost can be argued and he couldn't finish big fights, he's competition will always be questioned and so will his place in ATG lists, but a clever team he had behind him IMO hard to argue he was the best in his division as he never fought, Okte,Mundine,Green,Beyer and many more, but he did beat the bajebus out of blokes ranked outside the top 10 many times over the years, best win was against a prime Kessler.

Green was average in speed, great jab and without doubt this generations top 3 power punchers p4p, incredible chin, with average defence, his competition hasn't been great either but has notable wins on his resume as well that can be argued that his opponents were past there best. People will use the RJJ against Green, but as others have said it was the best looking RJJ over the last 6 years and Green wasn't given a chance, he done to RJJ what no other fighter had done before, humiliated him, as there only common opponent it's hard to suggest that Green would get slaughtered, considering that Calzaghe got dropped and had to take according to most( a guy who's punch resistence was finished in RJJ) 12rounds.
Green has been cruising along down under for too long, i for 1 have always thought he belonged on the world stage with his crippling power and his fan style technique, and i think he has an opportunity to do something that Calzaghe didn't fight the best from over seas, not within a few hours flight of home.

Brute

Thank you for the kind words.What a lovely man you must be.

Re: you beleive that Green really wanted to fight Hopkins, Tarver and Dawson.That's hilarious.Very easy to call someone out and price yourself out of the fight.All three of those guys would beat green, and handidly too.In fairness to him, he obviously knows that.

The fact he has not boxed anyone of that calibre throughout his entire career tells you all you need to know, but you are one of those sucker types that buys what he is selling, however bad, which is comical in itself.

In case you get bored, check out youtube, where you can watch a fat, blown up and out of shape James Toney play with your in shape Green.Makes interesting viewing.

Next up for Green must be Ali, or Bob Foster even, the 1970's light heavyweight champion.It will be an easy pay day whoever he choses to fight and promote.

Not that I am a cynic or anything.

big lennox wrote:Brute

Thank you for the kind words.What a lovely man you must be.

Re: you beleive that Green really wanted to fight Hopkins, Tarver and Dawson.That's hilarious.Very easy to call someone out and price yourself out of the fight.All three of those guys would beat green, and handidly too.In fairness to him, he obviously knows that.

The fact he has not boxed anyone of that calibre throughout his entire career tells you all you need to know, but you are one of those sucker types that buys what he is selling, however bad, which is comical in itself.

In case you get bored, check out youtube, where you can watch a fat, blown up and out of shape James Toney play with your in shape Green.Makes interesting viewing.

Next up for Green must be Ali, or Bob Foster even, the 1970's light heavyweight champion.It will be an easy pay day whoever he choses to fight and promote.

Not that I am a cynic or anything.

really??
i think prime hopkins does green by ud, but currently no way, not after the rot of his effort against rjj. green gets thru far too easy for mine. and tarver is beyond it as well. the only worthy fight of the 3 would be dawson, but from wat i can gather danny has little to ZERO interest in draining weight for fights any more. and i cant say i blame him for that either, he is 37 after all. while i agree he has fed us rubbish since rjj i still feel he has plenty to offer as a fighter. i feel he goes thru a good portion of top 5 or so CW's. so all in all i just hope he gives us something meaningful by yrs end. if its cameron only..... I FOR ONE AM OUT but if its a top CW then im still on the wagon.

big lennox wrote:Brute

Thank you for the kind words.What a lovely man you must be.

Re: you beleive that Green really wanted to fight Hopkins, Tarver and Dawson.That's hilarious.Very easy to call someone out and price yourself out of the fight.All three of those guys would beat green, and handidly too.In fairness to him, he obviously knows that.

The fact he has not boxed anyone of that calibre throughout his entire career tells you all you need to know, but you are one of those sucker types that buys what he is selling, however bad, which is comical in itself.

In case you get bored, check out youtube, where you can watch a fat, blown up and out of shape James Toney play with your in shape Green.Makes interesting viewing.

Next up for Green must be Ali, or Bob Foster even, the 1970's light heavyweight champion.It will be an easy pay day whoever he choses to fight and promote.

Not that I am a cynic or anything.

Green and Toney never fought. Are you talking about a sparring session? If you had ever boxed you would know that sparring means nothing. It is not my fault you live in a shithole.