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Who would win @ 135? Both in their prime, Vegas, no injuries.

Discuss.

At lightweight? I think DLH blows him away, no joke.

Oscar takes this one... I think JMM best weight is 130. Even though his achievement is at 135-lbs.

orbtastic wrote:At lightweight? I think DLH blows him away, no joke.

I agree; De la Hoya had crushing power and great speed at lightweight. He would've busted Marquez up pretty fast.

What Marquez does have over De La Hoya at this weight is a huge advantage in experience, particularly big-fight experience. At Lightweight, De La Hoya was still a kid on the drain, with no real fight experience on a truly testing level. That counts for quite a bit with me, but I still have to give it to De La Hoya --- Marquez's victories are predicated largely on his timing & speed, but given the size & power disparity, coupled with De La Hoya's tremendously fast hands at the weight, I think he'd floor Marquez twice & go on to win a decision. Marquez is crafty, slick & intelligent --- he'd find a way to survive, but not a way to win.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:What Marquez does have over De La Hoya at this weight is a huge advantage in experience, particularly big-fight experience. At Lightweight, De La Hoya was still a kid on the drain, with no real fight experience on a truly testing level. That counts for quite a bit with me, but I still have to give it to De La Hoya --- Marquez's victories are predicated largely on his timing & speed, but given the size & power disparity, coupled with De La Hoya's tremendously fast hands at the weight, I think he'd floor Marquez twice & go on to win a decision. Marquez is crafty, slick & intelligent --- he'd find a way to survive, but not a way to win.

That's a pretty good assessment, because if he thought Pacquiao hit hard at 130, DLH at 135 was a wholly different prospect. Oscar also was more technically competent than Pacquiao and didn't lunge wildly into his crosses, allowing Marquez to counter the crap out of him.

Oscar's speed of hand and foot create a big lead and his underrated toughness holds on down the stretch for a clear and fun decision. It's hard to find a more drastic difference in ring IQ. But Oscar has the ability to play to JMM's weaknesses.

The young De La Hoya had enough mistakes in his game, & enough learning curves ahead of him, to allow Marquez to survive, though most seem to predict a KO, & I can understand that.

Marquez has such a technically proficient offenensive game, it's easy to overlook his defensive flaws sometimes. I wouldn't rule him out completely, but a DLH decision here is what I see.

oscar fairly easy he was a beast when he was younger

Who voted for Marquez? C'mon, put up your case.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Who voted for Marquez? C'mon, put up your case.

You r a true genius and one of the few people who use common sense. HONESTLY MARQUEZ VS DE LA HOYA? COMMONNNNN!!! DE LA HOYA BEATS THE LIGHTER MARQUEZ AND KNOCKS HIM OUT...NO CONTEST.

Another important factor is the weight draining. DLH was a monster for LW, while Marquez is considerably smaller. By the time Oscar was at 147 he was entering fights in the 160s so it's conceivable that he was at least in the low 150's as a Lightweight, as opposed to Marquez who has been in the low 140's after rehydrating from 135. Marquez doesn't enter the ring much heavier than he ever did even at Featherweight, whereas Oscar had so much room to grow from when he started at 130/135 because he was shifting obscene amounts of water weight.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Another important factor is the weight draining. DLH was a monster for LW, while Marquez is considerably smaller. By the time Oscar was at 147 he was entering fights in the 160s so it's conceivable that he was at least in the low 150's as a Lightweight, as opposed to Marquez who has been in the low 140's after rehydrating from 135. Marquez doesn't enter the ring much heavier than he ever did even at Featherweight, whereas Oscar had so much room to grow from when he started at 130/135 because he was shifting obscene amounts of water weight.

He spoke in his autobio about making both Jr. Light & Lightweight by consuming, "minimal water, two egg whites for breakfast, & a couple of oranges through the day."

The treat, apparently, was that Oscar was allowed to decide when during the day he had said oranges. Quite the life, no? It was all in the name of chasing the record for most titles through different divisions in history --- a record he eventually achieved, to his credit.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Another important factor is the weight draining. DLH was a monster for LW, while Marquez is considerably smaller. By the time Oscar was at 147 he was entering fights in the 160s so it's conceivable that he was at least in the low 150's as a Lightweight, as opposed to Marquez who has been in the low 140's after rehydrating from 135. Marquez doesn't enter the ring much heavier than he ever did even at Featherweight, whereas Oscar had so much room to grow from when he started at 130/135 because he was shifting obscene amounts of water weight.

He spoke in his autobio about making both Jr. Light & Lightweight by consuming, "minimal water, two egg whites for breakfast, & a couple of oranges through the day."

The treat, apparently, was that Oscar was allowed to decide when during the day he had said oranges. Quite the life, no? It was all in the name of chasing the record for most titles through different divisions in history --- a record he eventually achieved, to his credit.

Interesting. It amazes me how far some fighters (well a lot more nowadays) go to cut weight that they'd most certainly have on them if they weren't dieting like crazed anorexics during training. Manny Pacquiao's early vids show a huge disparity too, he looks like a Featherweight amongst Bantamweights in the ring, but he was also very young. Fernando Vargas talked about how he was starving himself to make 154 so badly that he had to take nyquil and benadryl for 2 weeks before weigh-ins to get to sleep because of the intense hunger pains. I don't wanna even know what the hell Hugo Cazares did in order to make 108 until he was damn near 30.