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He beat a shot Sonny Liston, a crippled Floyd Patterson, a one eyed Joe Frazier, a callow and inexperienced George Foreman, and a muscle bound Ken Norton. That is not the resume of a great fighter.

I wonder whose dual account alter ego you really are?

Nice to hear that you claim that the wins over Sonny were legit.


By the way gran is back and this circus will close if things get tense.

mugabi wrote:I wonder whose dual account alter ego you really are?

I don't have an alter ego. I only have the truth.

BoxBuzz wrote:Nice to hear that you claim that the wins over Sonny were legit.


By the way gran is back and this circus will close if things get tense.

I operate within the rules. I don't attack other posters. I don't use foul language. Ban me if you must but your banning will be arbitrary and capricious.

This is getting freaky... now we only need ThatOne back

Let's get back to discussing the topic and not one another.

OK

I see nobody can refute what I wrote.

GranberryReturns wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Nice to hear that you claim that the wins over Sonny were legit.


By the way gran is back and this circus will close if things get tense.

I operate within the rules. I don't attack other posters. I don't use foul language. Ban me if you must but your banning will be arbitrary and capricious.

Good points.

GranberryReturns wrote:He beat a muscle bound Ken Norton. That is not the resume of a great fighter.

Since when did muscle bound mean anything?

At the end of the day Ali STOPPED Liston, Patterson, Frazier, Lyle, Bonavena, Foreman, Quarry, Ellis, Foley, Williams and Foster.

Darling wrote:

GranberryReturns wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Nice to hear that you claim that the wins over Sonny were legit.


By the way gran is back and this circus will close if things get tense.

I operate within the rules. I don't attack other posters. I don't use foul language. Ban me if you must but your banning will be arbitrary and capricious.

Good points.

Here are some additional "good points"

I do not wish to be "arbitray and/or capricious" at least in terms of moderating this forum.

However if you intend to make a show out "walking the line but creating havoc and panic amoungst the population". I am licensed to be both arbitrary and capricious.

Why? Because defining trolling is subjective.... as is the judgment of just what "arbitrary and capricious" may or may not be. So in the end it will be a judgment call.

Controversial wrote:

GranberryReturns wrote:He beat a muscle bound Ken Norton. That is not the resume of a great fighter.

Since when did muscle bound mean anything?

At the end of the day Ali STOPPED Liston, Patterson, Frazier, Lyle, Bonavena, Foreman, Quarry, Ellis, Foley, Williams and Foster.

Liston was over the hill

Patterson had back spasms

Frazier had one eye

The Lyle fight was stopped prematurely

Bonavena was a tomato can

Jerry Quarry would have been a cruiserweight

Jimmy Ellis would have been a cruiserweight

Zora Folley was past his prime.

Cat William was a literally shot fighter who had his intestines removed

Bob Foster was a beefed up light heavyweight.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Darling wrote:

GranberryReturns wrote:
I operate within the rules. I don't attack other posters. I don't use foul language. Ban me if you must but your banning will be arbitrary and capricious.

Good points.

Here are some additional "good points"

I do not wish to be "arbitray and/or capricious" at least in terms of moderating this forum.

However if you intend to make a show out "walking the line but creating havoc and panic amoungst the population". I am licensed to be both arbitrary and capricious.

Why? Because defining trolling is subjective.... as is the judgment of just what "arbitrary and capricious" may or may not be. So in the end it will be a judgment call.

So stimulating discussion on a bulletin board, while obeying the rules, is grounds for banning. Strange... Especially strange when this board is littered with ad hominem attacks which are direct violation of the rules.

I make my points forcefully and respectfully. You should be applauding me.

Well you know the original granberry has shown quite an annoyance to your presence. Though you agree with him on many items. Just because of your choice of name.

So that is at least creatively and interestingly provocative. As is your "johnny one note" theme of focusing on one fighter to the negative. Do you have some fighters that you feel strongly about in a positive way? Perhaps some campaigning in that direction may go far to reparing your compromised reputation.

In the end trolling is somewhat subjective. You may need to do some positive PR work.

And by the way, If you are a posting here under two names, that is a rule violation, and is far less subjective of an issue. And that has roughly the same consequence as trolling.

BoxBuzz wrote:Well you know the original granberry has shown quite an annoyance to your presence. Though you agree with him on many items. Just because of your choice of name.

So that is at least creatively and interestingly provocative. As is your "johnny one note" theme of focusing on one fighter to the negative. Do you have some fighters that you feel strongly about in a positive way? Perhaps some campaigning in that direction may go far to reparing your compromised reputation.

In the end trolling is somewhat subjective. You may need to do some positive PR work.

And by the way, If you are a posting here under two names, that is a rule violation, and is far less subjective of an issue. And that has roughly the same consequence as trolling.

I am sure you investigated my I P address. I am GranberryReturns and nobody else.

I also thought Granberry was banned for abusing other posters.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Darling wrote:

GranberryReturns wrote:
I operate within the rules. I don't attack other posters. I don't use foul language. Ban me if you must but your banning will be arbitrary and capricious.

Good points.

Here are some additional "good points"

I do not wish to be "arbitray and/or capricious" at least in terms of moderating this forum.

However if you intend to make a show out "walking the line but creating havoc and panic amoungst the population". I am licensed to be both arbitrary and capricious.

Why? Because defining trolling is subjective.... as is the judgment of just what "arbitrary and capricious" may or may not be. So in the end it will be a judgment call.

I prefer his posts to yours.

Darling wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:

Darling wrote: Good points.

Here are some additional "good points"

I do not wish to be "arbitray and/or capricious" at least in terms of moderating this forum.

However if you intend to make a show out "walking the line but creating havoc and panic amoungst the population". I am licensed to be both arbitrary and capricious.

Why? Because defining trolling is subjective.... as is the judgment of just what "arbitrary and capricious" may or may not be. So in the end it will be a judgment call.

I prefer his posts to yours.

I can not understand how somebody can be banned just because they have a controversial point of view.

That's due to the remarkable complexity of the matter at hand. Strictly rocket science/neuropsyche stuff.

And Darling....I know I'm always second in any two contributor contest with you.....I've learned to live with the self esteem destroying rejection.

Since this is so difficult to understand, please just leave this to the professionals. I'll check with bazza and together a solution will be determined.

GranberryReturns wrote:
Liston was over the hill

Bonavena was a tomato can

Jerry Quarry would have been a cruiserweight

How was Liston over the hill? He had just destroyed Patterson twice and was world champ. He hardly laid a glove on Ali, given a right boxing lesson.

What do you mean Quarry would have been a cruiserweight? The division didn't even exist then. Quarry was ranked in the top 5 in the world and Ali came from a 3 and a half year layoff and stopped him.

Bonavena a tomato can? The same tomato can that dropped Frazier twice in one round and lost a majority decision to him. An Ali was the only fighter in 68 fights to stop him.

Controversial wrote:

GranberryReturns wrote:
Liston was over the hill

Bonavena was a tomato can

Jerry Quarry would have been a cruiserweight

How was Liston over the hill? He had just destroyed Patterson twice and was world champ. He hardly laid a glove on Ali, given a right boxing lesson.

What do you mean Quarry would have been a cruiserweight? The division didn't even exist then. Quarry was ranked in the top 5 in the world and Ali came from a 3 and a half year layoff and stopped him.

Bonavena a tomato can? The same tomato can that dropped Frazier twice in one round and lost a majority decision to him. An Ali was the only fighter in 68 fights to stop him.

Good points.

Hmmm, all these tainted wins over fighters with various maladies.
All I know is,there is almost never a time when a fighter comes into the ring 100%.
Hand injuries,weight issues,trouble with broads,alcohol abuse,too much wind inhalation during roadwork,locust swarms,its a tough sport that has tough training.
If a fighter is too injured, sick, whatever then he pulls out. If he gets in there and fights and loses,it doesnt taint the winners victory at all. In fact,did these fighters that are listed here who lost to Ali even use any of these excuses?
Did Quarry say "I only lost because I was too small"? Doesnt seem like his style.

GranberryReturns wrote:
The Lyle fight was stopped prematurely

Did you even watch the Lyle fight? Ali was knocking him around the ring in the 11th, teeing off on him. Lyle was sagging in the corner being battered until the ref stopped it. How was that premature?

He was still alive?

And to those who say if it was reversed that the Ref would have let it continue.....Do you really think a ref would allow this very important guy to be teed off on by a big puncher like Lyle? I honestly think that's just a goofy notion. The ref would have likely stopped it earlier if Ali was not returning any fire at all.

Controversial wrote:

GranberryReturns wrote:
The Lyle fight was stopped prematurely

Did you even watch the Lyle fight? Ali was knocking him around the ring in the 11th, teeing off on him. Lyle was sagging in the corner being battered until the ref stopped it. How was that premature?

Rope a dope.

GranberryReturns wrote:

Controversial wrote:

GranberryReturns wrote:
The Lyle fight was stopped prematurely

Did you even watch the Lyle fight? Ali was knocking him around the ring in the 11th, teeing off on him. Lyle was sagging in the corner being battered until the ref stopped it. How was that premature?

Rope a dope.

Hahaha. Yeah the only difference being that Ali was play acting and not being caught with punches and Lyle wasn't play acting and was being caught with punches.