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The Official PSP Rankings - Week 20
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 10:52
by jBacca
I have formulated another set of rankings to take in to account the standards of opposition fought in relation to the calibre of your own fighter, and the methods of victory. This should hopefully expose those managers who live off fighting CPU's.
Ranking(Previous) - Name - Total Points(Weekly) - Record
1(1) -Miguel Cotto 230 (12) 14(10)-5(4)-1
2(2) -Carmen Basilio 203 (-1) 15(9)-5(3)-0
3(3) -Pernell Whitaker 166 (1) 11(2)-5(2)-4
4(4) -Mickey Walker 162 (11) 16(7)-3(1)-1
5(7) -Manny Pacquiao 157 (26) 14(11)-6(4)-0
6(5) -Paul Williams 150 (9) 17(10)-2(1)-1
7(6) -Joe Walcott 148 (14) 15(6)-5(2)-0
8(10) -Donald Curry 136 (10) 12(7)-7(4)-1
9(11) -Jose Napoles 136 (10) 14(8)-3(1)-3
10(9) -Sugar Ray Robinson 133 (7) 16(5)-3(2)-1
11(12) -Sugar Ray Leonard 132 (10) 13(9)-6(1)-1
12(13) -Thomas Hearns 132 (10) 13(5)-6(4)-1
13(8) -Young Corbett III 130 (1) 9(3)-11(8)-0
14(16) -Henry Armstrong 124 (10) 14(11)-5(2)-1
15(14) -Emile Griffith 121 (1) 11(5)-5(0)-4
16(18) -Floyd Mayweather Jnr 121 (11) 14(7)-6(1)-0
17(17) -Vernon Forrest 120 (10) 9(4)-10(5)-1
18(15) -Fritzie Zivic 116 (1) 9(4)-11(2)-0
19(19) -Ted Kid Lewis 114 (5) 10(4)-6(3)-4
20(20) -Oscar De La Hoya 113 (10) 12(2)-8(6)-0
21(26) -Buddy McGirt 103 (10) 10(2)-6(3)-2
22(24) -Lloyd Honeyghan 101 (5) 11(4)-8(3)-1
23(21) -Benny Paret 98 (-2) 3(1)-17(12)-0
24(22) -Jack Britton 98 (-1) 12(2)-7(1)-1
25(23) -Marty Servo 97 (1) 8(1)-8(3)-4
26(31) -Simon Brown 97 (13) 11(4)-8(5)-1
27(25) -Shane Mosley 96 (0) 10(6)-8(3)-1
28(36) -Kid Gavilan 95 (41) 9(1)-5(0)-3
29(27) -Felix Trinidad 91 (1) 9(4)-9(1)-2
30(30) -Luis Manuel Rodriguez 89 (3) 11(4)-8(1)-1
31(29) -Jimmy Mclarnin 87 (1) 8(3)-10(3)-2
32(32) -Barney Ross 85 (10) 12(6)-8(3)-0
33(28) -Tommy Ryan 84 (-3) 12(4)-7(6)-1
34(33) -Wilfred Benitez 78 (6) 7(2)-7(5)-2
35(34) -Roberto Duran 72 (5) 7(4)-8(2)-3
36(35) -Ike Quartey 65 (0) 10(7)-8(1)-2
37(37) -Ricky Hatton 62 (9) 4(4)-5(2)-0
38(38) -Cocoa Kid 45 (9) 3(0)-1(0)-1
39(39) -Young Peter Jackson 38 (13) 6(0)-12(2)-2
40(40) -Marlon Starling 3 (1) 3(3)-13(2)-4
Re: The Official PSP Rankings
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 10:53
by jBacca
Re: The Official PSP Rankings
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 10:53
by jBacca
Re: The Official PSP Rankings
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 10:53
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Re: The Official PSP Rankings
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 10:54
by jBacca
Reserved
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 12:18
by BoxBuzz
Here are the official standings.
Mickey Walker and Paul Williams tied for first.
Mickey walker takes one swing in round one achieves a KO
Paul Williams is forced to take a few extra swings to accomplish the same outcome.
Two Ko's in Round 1.
End of story.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 12:41
by JDC
Post Prime crime
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 13:16
by The Irish Assassin
#1, I'll take it.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 17:25
by jBacca
Was a great win for Collazo.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 18:53
by Marlin
How exactly have you worked this out?
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 19:04
by jBacca
I don't want to tell you exactly, because it ruins the secrecy and people will pretty much be able to gauge how many points they are going to get (if they win).
Basically though, it's how you win, against the quality of opposition you win against, and the opposite for losing.
I've taken in to account pretty much all the factors (that I can see), but if anyone wants to challenge placements, please do.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 19:28
by Marlin
Fair enough fella, I like the effort, it just seems it might be a little subjective. I am still interested to see how it progresses.
Does a loss automatically mean you get 0 or negative points? Perhaps a competitive loss should still be worth something?
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 19:31
by allworld80
Hmmm depending on the criteria, maybe this could replace the commish rankings.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 19:49
by Marlin
tzyuforever wrote:Hmmm depending on the criteria, maybe this could replace the commish rankings.
No way, not unless you take full control. you couldn't have some pome bastard running the rankings, especially when he and his faction are in the game.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 20:17
by allworld80
Yes, I would have to do the scoring. If the criteria was fair though, it might be a good thing to do.
The commish rankings are just sim generated, and don't take into account many things.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 20:38
by BoxBuzz
Everyone would do this a little differently. However it might be best to leave this to ME.
You can trust ME. I'm not like "the others". And of course Marlin and Ben k are other examples of upstanding citizens that everyone could trust.
on the other hand.....
Perhaps the mechanized beast is not so bad after all.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 21:17
by armageto
I don't particually like this on the fact I don't understand the scoring. For example:
Robinson beat Basilio with a TKO in the 8th. He gets 9 points.
Graham beats Quartey by semi-close decision and gets 11 points.
Robinson had a better result and Basilio is a better opponent than Quartey. Thus I don't understand the scoring system. That is only one example......
A for effort and it is a good idea. Maybe the commissioner rankings could be a tweaked version of this, with some factoring in on the actual rankings.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 21:53
by madball1982
I like the idea, but I don't like the secrecy behind the scoring. It leaves it open for corruption (not saying that it necessarily will) and favouritism.
So how do you determine what result gets what points?
Marlon Starling gets a -6 for UD loss to LUIS COLLAZO a managed fighter
But Felix Trinidad gets a -3 for a MD loss to CPU fighter
I can understand the Young Peter Jackson result of -7, a TKO L to CPU fighter
But then Duran gets one point for losing to Hearns, yet Mickey Walker gets 3pts for beating MICK DUNN (CPU), the same points Servo got for drawing Ted Lewis.
Then Paul Williams gets 5 pts for 1 rnd KO of KEVIN ROONEY the same points that Simon Brown gets for DQ over FRITZIE ZIVIC
So by your statement of "hopefully expose those managers who live off fighting CPU's" after one round is flawed.
If Duran fought Hearns 40 times and lost he'd have 40pts. If Paul Williams KO's Rooney 40 times in 1round he's finishing with 200pts. That would clearly not have the aim you're going for.
Here's an idea, or part of one for you, which may be similar to what you're doing.
Points per fight.
Total the ratings of both fighters - let's say Hearns is 12 and Duran is rated 10. (22pts)
THOMAS HEARNS VS ROBERTO DURAN
RESULT: THOMAS HEARNS UD
Winner of fight automatically gets same amount of points as other fighter's rating. Hearns = 10.
Loser of fight get's half of winner's points. Duran = 6.
Type of victory/loss get's extra points depending on the opponent's rating.
eg: 0-7, 8-11, 11+ (this could be edited)
So a TKO/KO Win gets
0-7: 2pt
8-11: 4 pts
11+: 8pts
A UD gets
0-7: 1pt
8-11: 3pts
11+: 6pts
A SD, MD or DQ gets
0-7: 1pt
8-11: 2pts
11+: 5pts
A draw gets (to both fighters)
0-7: 0pt
8-11: 1pts
11+: 3pts
Now, the loser gets the following subtracted:
TKO/KO:
0-7: 3pt
8-11: 1pts
11+: 0pts
A decision or DQ loss
0-7: 2pt
8-11: 1pts
11+: 0pts
This way, the better the fighter (as per the game's ratings) the more rewards you get regardless of win/loss.
So instead of being Hearns (10) and Duran (1) based on the above criteria is now Hearns 13 and Duran 6. Which rewards Duran for losing to a high calibre fighter as well as rewarding Hearns for a high calibre win.
I got carried away there, but basically I like the idea but without knowing how it's calculated, can not put my full support behind it and came up with this.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 25 Aug 2010, 21:54
by Marlin
BoxBuzz wrote:Everyone would do this a little differently. However it might be best to leave this to ME.
You can trust ME. I'm not like "the others". And of course Marlin and Ben k are other examples of upstanding citizens that everyone could trust.
on the other hand.....
Perhaps the mechanized beast is not so bad after all.
here, here. The GBP run Ring rankings will always be the gold standard.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 05:32
by jBacca
armageto wrote:I don't particually like this on the fact I don't understand the scoring. For example:
Robinson beat Basilio with a TKO in the 8th. He gets 9 points.
Graham beats Quartey by semi-close decision and gets 11 points.
Robinson had a better result and Basilio is a better opponent than Quartey. Thus I don't understand the scoring system. That is only one example......
A for effort and it is a good idea. Maybe the commissioner rankings could be a tweaked version of this, with some factoring in on the actual rankings.
Robinson will never score big unless he's against a certain couple of fighters, or if he's down the rankings and beats someone at the top. Why? Because he's a man-beast and so much better than the average fighter on here.
Being realistic, Basilio is a better fighter than Quartey, but Robinson stopping Basilio is less of a surprise (or achievement) than Graham decisioning Quartey.
madball1982 wrote:I like the idea, but I don't like the secrecy behind the scoring. It leaves it open for corruption (not saying that it necessarily will) and favouritism.
So how do you determine what result gets what points?
Marlon Starling gets a -6 for UD loss to LUIS COLLAZO a managed fighter
But Felix Trinidad gets a -3 for a MD loss to CPU fighter
I can understand the Young Peter Jackson result of -7, a TKO L to CPU fighter
But then Duran gets one point for losing to Hearns, yet Mickey Walker gets 3pts for beating MICK DUNN (CPU), the same points Servo got for drawing Ted Lewis.
Then Paul Williams gets 5 pts for 1 rnd KO of KEVIN ROONEY the same points that Simon Brown gets for DQ over FRITZIE ZIVIC
So by your statement of "hopefully expose those managers who live off fighting CPU's" after one round is flawed.
If Duran fought Hearns 40 times and lost he'd have 40pts. If Paul Williams KO's Rooney 40 times in 1round he's finishing with 200pts. That would clearly not have the aim you're going for.
Here's an idea, or part of one for you, which may be similar to what you're doing.
Points per fight.
Total the ratings of both fighters - let's say Hearns is 12 and Duran is rated 10. (22pts)
THOMAS HEARNS VS ROBERTO DURAN
RESULT: THOMAS HEARNS UD
Winner of fight automatically gets same amount of points as other fighter's rating. Hearns = 10.
Loser of fight get's half of winner's points. Duran = 6.
Type of victory/loss get's extra points depending on the opponent's rating.
eg: 0-7, 8-11, 11+ (this could be edited)
So a TKO/KO Win gets
0-7: 2pt
8-11: 4 pts
11+: 8pts
A UD gets
0-7: 1pt
8-11: 3pts
11+: 6pts
A SD, MD or DQ gets
0-7: 1pt
8-11: 2pts
11+: 5pts
A draw gets (to both fighters)
0-7: 0pt
8-11: 1pts
11+: 3pts
Now, the loser gets the following subtracted:
TKO/KO:
0-7: 3pt
8-11: 1pts
11+: 0pts
A decision or DQ loss
0-7: 2pt
8-11: 1pts
11+: 0pts
This way, the better the fighter (as per the game's ratings) the more rewards you get regardless of win/loss.
So instead of being Hearns (10) and Duran (1) based on the above criteria is now Hearns 13 and Duran 6. Which rewards Duran for losing to a high calibre fighter as well as rewarding Hearns for a high calibre win.
I got carried away there, but basically I like the idea but without knowing how it's calculated, can not put my full support behind it and came up with this.
I don't want to give anything away to people who don't know ratings. I'll pm my reply.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 05:37
by hitman09
I think a system must be somewhat flawed if Corbett, who won by decision vs Palomino, gets as many points as Napoles, who won by KO3 vs a better fighter, Whitaker.
Not only did Napoles beat a better fighter, but he did it more impressively.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 05:40
by jBacca
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Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 05:42
by hitman09
Also, Collazo beating Marlon Starling got double the points of Henry Armstrong beating Sugar Ray Leonard. I see no way that can be justifiable. Starling is not twice as good a win, or even as good a win for that matter, as SRL.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 05:42
by jBacca
hitman09 wrote:I think a system must be somewhat flawed if Corbett, who won by decision vs Palomino, gets as many points as Napoles, who won by KO3 vs a better fighter, Whitaker.
Not only did Napoles beat a better fighter, but he did it more impressively.
Don't think down the lines of just how good the opposition is and that's it, think about the gulf in class between the two fighters.
Re: The Official PSP Rankings - week 1
Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 05:43
by jBacca
hitman09 wrote:Also, Collazo beating Marlon Starling got double the points of Henry Armstrong beating Sugar Ray Leonard. I see no way that can be justifiable. Starling is not twice as good a win, or even as good a win for that matter, as SRL.
Or look at it this way, is Armstrong beating Leonard as much of a surprise as Collazo beating Starling?