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I pick the Kid to win this one. Who wins this one and why?

Mayweather shouldn't be pitted vs any ATG welters.

BarryWashington wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:Mayweather shouldn't be pitted vs any ATG welters.

Why not?

I agree, Floyd has proven himself against a number of fighters who in the past would've been solid Welterweights and even Middleweights.

dempseyfire wrote:Mayweather shouldn't be pitted vs any ATG welters.

I wouldn't call him a great at this weight, so I can understand this logic pretty readily, but it's just a mythical match-up --- not a historical rankings thread. It's difficult to gauge how well Mayweather would fare against the legends of 147 --- he does what he does wonderfully well, & he hasn't had this shocking competition everyone barks about, but he has cherry-picked & he hasn't convinced me he belongs among the best Welters ever.

Considering weigh in times a guy who is comfortable at 140 would probably have been 147 back in the day.

Ezzard wrote:Considering weigh in times a guy who is comfortable at 140 would probably have been 147 back in the day.

Especially Floyd who's fight night weights are all easily accessible via his youtube account, which has virtually his entire televised career available to view. Even his in the days of same-day weigh-ins he would've been a Ligtweight in the early stages of his career and would today likely be at 147 or 154. During his time at 140 and 147 he would regularly weigh-in at the mid-140's and was even 148 for De La Hoya on fight night as well and 152 recently for Marquez.

Was Floyd as good as the Cuban Hawk at welterweight?

Floyd has done nothing at welter to prove he belongs in the ring with Gavilan. Gavilan for me 10 out 10 times.

BarryWashington wrote:Kid Gavilan is an ATG & yes, FMJ hasn't done enough at 147 to be compared with the Cuban Hawk at 147, but, I would not be quick to count out Floyd.

At 147 he lost five rounds to Judah. He defeated a rusty Mosley who is/was clearly way past his best days. Don’t buy too much in Mosley stopping the cheater Margarito more than a year prior to the fight. He almost lost to clearly over the hill DLH. Based on that I don’t see Mayweather defeating a guy like Gavilan. The Hawk is in completely another league in all aspects of the game. To tell you the truth I don’t even see him defeating a prime DLH. I don’t even see him defeating a guy like Trinidad at 147 to be honest. Much less the great Gavilan.

The fight will porbably happen in this season's BoxRecSim.

So keep an eye out.

BarryWashington wrote:

Idisagree wrote:

BarryWashington wrote:
3. If that was a clear "over-the-hill" De La Hoya then when did De La Hoya peak out?

I’m sorry but are seriously going to tell me that DLH was at his best when he fought Mayweather? DLH was good up until 2003. 2004 he lost to sturm and got a gift decision so that the Hopkins fight could take place. Then he was stopped by Hopkins. To be fair I don’t DLH had any business at 160. Then it took two years to fight Mayorga and a year after Mayweather. That rusty DLH almost defeated Mayweather. Prime for prime I take DLH any time over Mayweather. DLH fought much better competition than Mayweather and was the better fighter imo. Prime for prime I take Gavilan over Mayweather too.

As for Judah vs Mayweather I score the first four rounds for Judah clearly and last one.

Sorry but percentages of punches landed/thrown means less than nothing. Those stats do not show the complete picture. In addition to that, compubox numbers could be wrong too. Since you brought up percentages of punches landed, how about round two? Why did you score that round in Judah’s favor if both landed the same amount of punches according to compubox? Also, did you take into account the knockdown? For me it was a clear knockdown. Round 2 should have been scored 10 -8 in Judah’s favor.

De La Hoya/Whitaker I score that fight for Whitaker and Alexander/Kotelnik for Kotelnik’s.

You don’t agree that De La Hoya almost defeated Mayweather but the decision was a SD. That means one of the judges saw DLH win the fight. Even Mayweather’s father said that DLH won that fight.

For me DLH was around 70-75% of his best days. At the time of the fight DLH was more a business man than a fighter.

I'll agree that De La Hoya was around the 70% mark. Was he more businessman than boxer by 2007? Sorry, Mayweather fans, but it's true. He was a part-time fighter.

I class De La Hoya as clearly past-peak by the stage he fought Mayweather, but it wasn't the shot version who fought Pacquiao --- & to be fair to Mayweather, he was pushed to Jr. Middle for the fight. No way does Mayweather's fighting at this weight even out De La Hoya being a solid five years past his last truly peak performance, but it is still worth mentioning.

As for the fight itself, I felt Mayweather did enough to win, & credit to him. For sure. What I take exception to (not necessarily i this thread, just general revisionism) is the fight wasn't even really close, & Mayweather won, "hands down." Puh-lease. It was a close fight. 7-5 Mayweather is plenty fair. Hell, the fact Mayweather swept the back-end of the fight had --- in truth --- as much to do with De La Hoya's inferior conditioning & the fact he'd stopped throwing his jab, a weapon which had him winning early on, as it did with Mayweather's commendable adjustments.

After the fight, I wondered who would win if Mayweather & De La Hoya had met in their 147lb. primes. I still am not sure. Ditto for Mayweather-Mosley. I do agree with Barry that Mayweather's resume is certainly better than it's credited with being --- but he really only has himself to blame, with his cherry-picking, if it gets under-rated.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I'll agree that De La Hoya was around the 70% mark. Was he more businessman than boxer by 2007? Sorry, Mayweather fans, but it's true. He was a part-time fighter.

I class De La Hoya as clearly past-peak by the stage he fought Mayweather, but it wasn't the shot version who fought Pacquiao --- & to be fair to Mayweather, he was pushed to Jr. Middle for the fight. No way does Mayweather's fighting at this weight even out De La Hoya being a solid five years past his last truly peak performance, but it is still worth mentioning.

As for the fight itself, I felt Mayweather did enough to win, & credit to him. For sure. What I take exception to (not necessarily i this thread, just general revisionism) is the fight wasn't even really close, & Mayweather won, "hands down." Puh-lease. It was a close fight. 7-5 Mayweather is plenty fair. Hell, the fact Mayweather swept the back-end of the fight had --- in truth --- as much to do with De La Hoya's inferior conditioning & the fact he'd stopped throwing his jab, a weapon which had him winning early on, as it did with Mayweather's commendable adjustments.

After the fight, I wondered who would win if Mayweather & De La Hoya had met in their 147lb. primes. I still am not sure. Ditto for Mayweather-Mosley. I do agree with Barry that Mayweather's resume is certainly better than it's credited with being --- but he really only has himself to blame, with his cherry-picking, if it gets under-rated.

I think DLH and Mosley both beat Mayweather prime-4-prime, mainly because on top of their size and strength advantages both were nearly as quick as Mayweather is in their primes. They'd both certainly hit Floyd more cleanly more often in their prime states and Floyd likely would've been forced into too much of a defensive nature in such fights to be able to win.

Gavilan wins this one by UD. Breaks Pretty Boy's nose and makes him piss blood for a week.