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And so Ladies and Gentlemen we are here, the Quarter Finals.

Alas, the last 8 boxers and their progression will not depend on the luck of the draw... It will be a group stage.

But it is a group stage with a difference,
as this is a fantasy competition
(those of you familiar with the Deadliest Warrior series will recognise this)

Imagine if Muhammad Ali vs Chris Byrd 100 times.
And after each fight, both boxers have no memory of the previous encounters...

The vast majority of people would estimate:
Ali wins 99 times = 99 pts
Byrd wins 1time = 1 pt

In the group the total number of points/wins will decide the final placings.

It's all about the totoal points.

And so here are the total list of fights:

Ali vs Dempsey
Holmes vs Johnson
Lewis vs Liston
Louis vs Marciano

Ali vs Holmes
Dempsey vs Johnson
Lewis vs Louis
Liston vs Marciano

Ali vs Johnson
Dempsey vs Holmes
Lewis vs Marciano
Liston vs Louis

Ali vs Lewis
Dempsey vs Liston
Holmes vs Louis
Johnson vs Marciano

Ali vs Liston
Dempsey vs Lewis
Holmes vs Marciano
Johnson vs Louis

Ali vs Marciano
Dempsey vs Louis
Holmes vs Lewis
Johnson vs Liston

Ali vs Louis
Dempsey vs Marciano
Holmes vs Liston
Johnson vs Lewis

Crease wrote:And so here are the total list of fights:

Ali vs Dempsey
Holmes vs Johnson
Lewis vs Liston
Louis vs Marciano

Ali vs Holmes
Dempsey vs Johnson
Lewis vs Louis
Liston vs Marciano

Ali vs Johnson
Dempsey vs Holmes
Lewis vs Marciano
Liston vs Louis

Ali vs Lewis
Dempsey vs Liston
Holmes vs Louis
Johnson vs Marciano

Ali vs Liston
Dempsey vs Lewis
Holmes vs Marciano
Johnson vs Louis

Ali vs Marciano
Dempsey vs Louis
Holmes vs Lewis
Johnson vs Liston

Ali vs Louis
Dempsey vs Marciano
Holmes vs Liston
Johnson vs Lewis

Ali UD15 Dempsey (Closer than some expect)

Holmes UD15 Johnson

Liston KO6 Lewis

Louis TKO9 Marciano

Ali MD15 Holmes

Dempsey KO5 Johnson

Louis KO6 Lewis

Liston TKO5 Marciano

Ali SD15 Johnson

Holmes UD15 Dempsey

Lewis TKO10 Marciano

Louis KO9 Liston

Ali UD15 Lewis

Liston KO4 Dempsey (Really hard to pick with confidence)

Louis TKO11 Holmes

Marciano KO7 Johnson

Ali UD15 Liston

Dempsey KO3 Lewis

Holmes UD15 Marciano

Louis TKO10 Johnson

Ali TKO12 Marciano

Louis KO7 Dempsey

Holmes MD15 Lewis

Liston KO2 Johnson

Louis TKO12 Ali

Dempsey TKO7 Marciano

Liston KO6 Holmes (Another 50-50 proposition)

Lewis KO8 Johnson

I realise this might take each of you a little while, but the results will be fascinating.

Ali vs Dempsey............ Ali wins 73, Dempsey wins 27,
Holmes vs Johnson....... Holmes wins 41, Johnson wins 59
Lewis vs Liston............ Lewis win 47, Liston wins 53
Louis vs Marciano......... Louis wins 38, Marciano wins 62
Ali vs Holmes................ Ali wins 70, Holmes wins 30
Dempsey vs Johnson...... Dempsey wins 55, Johnson wins 45
Lewis vs Louis............... Lewis win 22, Louis wins 78
Liston vs Marciano......... Liston wins 34, Marciano wins 66
Ali vs Johnson................ Ali wins 69, Johnson wins 31
Dempsey vs Holmes......... Dempsey wins 59, Holmes wins 41
Lewis vs Marciano........... Lewis wins 29, Marciano wins 71
Liston vs Louis................ Liston wins 23, Louis wins 77
Ali vs Lewis.................... Ali wins 81, Lewis wins 19
Dempsey vs Liston............Dempsey wins 68, Liston 32
Holmes vs Louis............... Holmes wins 20, Louis wins 80
Johnson vs Marciano......... Johnson wins 40, Marciano wins 60
Ali vs Liston..................... Ali wins 78, Liston wins 22
Dempsey vs Lewis.............. Dempsey wins 72, Lewis wins 28
Holmes vs Marciano............Holmes wins 33, Marciano wins 67
Johnson vs Louis...............Johnson wins 40, Louis wins 60
Ali vs Marciano .................. Ali wins 47, Marciano wins 53
Dempsey vs Louis............... Dempsey wins 41, Louis wins 59
Holmes vs Lewis................. Holmes wins 66, Lewis wins 34
Johnson vs Liston............... Johnson wins 60, Liston wins 40
Ali vs Louis........................ Ali wins 51, Louis wins 49
Dempsey vs Marciano.......... Dempsey wins 40, Marciano wins 60
Holmes vs Liston................. Holmes wins 46, Liston wins 54
Johnson vs Lewis.................Johnson wins 75, Lewis wins 25

Just my opinions, and the numbers are giving me a bit of a sorehead,
but I'm really looking forward to hearing what you guys think.

Maybe in the end, we will average off everyone's numbers.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Ali UD15 Dempsey (Closer than some expect)

GI, re-read my original post, imagine if the fights were run 100 times, who do you think would win and how many times out of 100?

The victories will then be turned into points.

It's pretty impossible to come up with satisfactory numbers for a hundred fights without just answering for the sake of it. Why didn't you make it a best of three, five, or ten?

I have to agree this isn't the most comfortable format, anyway.

Ali vs Dempsey- 97/3
Holmes vs Johnson- 80/20
Lewis vs Liston- 30/70
Louis vs Marciano- 85/15

Ali vs Holmes- 50/50
Dempsey vs Johnson- 55/45
Lewis vs Louis- 47/53
Liston vs Marciano- 97/3

Ali vs Johnson- 58/42
Dempsey vs Holmes- 5/95
Lewis vs Marciano- 75/25
Liston vs Louis- 55/45

Ali vs Lewis- 54/46
Dempsey vs Liston- 30/70
Holmes vs Louis- 50/50
Johnson vs Marciano- 62/38

Ali vs Liston- 70/30
Dempsey vs Lewis- 35/65
Holmes vs Marciano- 99/1
Johnson vs Louis- 10/90

Ali vs Marciano- 99/1
Dempsey vs Louis- 30/70
Holmes vs Lewis- 75/25
Johnson vs Liston- 52/48

Ali vs Louis- 60/40
Dempsey vs Marciano- 55/45
Holmes vs Liston- 75/25
Johnson vs Lewis- 2/98

The format is fine.

Ali vs Dempsey- 55/45
Holmes vs Johnson- 55/45
Lewis vs Liston- 30/70
Louis vs Marciano- 80/20

Ali vs Holmes- 50/50
Dempsey vs Johnson- 50/50
Lewis vs Louis- 25/75
Liston vs Marciano- 90/10

Ali vs Johnson- 50/50
Dempsey vs Holmes- 35/65
Lewis vs Marciano- 65/35
Liston vs Louis- 40/60

Ali vs Lewis- 60/40
Dempsey vs Liston- 30/70
Holmes vs Louis- 35/65
Johnson vs Marciano- 75/25

Ali vs Liston- 70/30
Dempsey vs Lewis- 65/35
Holmes vs Marciano- 70/30
Johnson vs Louis- 75/25

Ali vs Marciano- 80/20
Dempsey vs Louis- 45/55
Holmes vs Lewis- 40/60
Johnson vs Liston- 75/25

Ali vs Louis- 55/45
Dempsey vs Marciano- 60/40
Holmes vs Liston- 50/50
Johnson vs Lewis- 50/50

What I would prefer would be a trilogy, with fighters taking the previous results into consideration. For instance, I think there are many fighters who would beat Joe Louis is a one-off, but few (or any) in a rematch. Even a best of 10 would be better IMO. However, I can work with this:

Ali vs Dempsey............ Ali wins 65, Dempsey wins 35,
Holmes vs Johnson....... Holmes wins 51, Johnson wins 49
Lewis vs Liston............ Lewis win 45, Liston wins 55
Louis vs Marciano......... Louis wins 55, Marciano wins 45
Ali vs Holmes................ Ali wins 45, Holmes wins 55
Dempsey vs Johnson...... Dempsey wins 51, Johnson wins 49
Lewis vs Louis............... Lewis win 40, Louis wins 60
Liston vs Marciano......... Liston wins 65, Marciano wins 35
Ali vs Johnson................ Ali wins 60, Johnson wins 40
Dempsey vs Holmes......... Dempsey wins 45, Holmes wins 55
Lewis vs Marciano........... Lewis wins 75, Marciano wins 25
Liston vs Louis................ Liston wins 35, Louis wins 65
Ali vs Lewis.................... Ali wins 80, Lewis wins 20
Dempsey vs Liston............Dempsey wins 35, Liston 65
Holmes vs Louis............... Holmes wins 35, Louis wins 65
Johnson vs Marciano......... Johnson wins 70, Marciano wins 30
Ali vs Liston..................... Ali wins 80, Liston wins 20
Dempsey vs Lewis.............. Dempsey wins 35, Lewis wins 65
Holmes vs Marciano............Holmes wins 55, Marciano wins 45
Johnson vs Louis...............Johnson wins 55, Louis wins 45
Ali vs Marciano .................. Ali wins 75, Marciano wins 25
Dempsey vs Louis............... Dempsey wins 35, Louis wins 65
Holmes vs Lewis................. Holmes wins 60, Lewis wins 40
Johnson vs Liston............... Johnson wins 60, Liston wins 40
Ali vs Louis........................ Ali wins 55, Louis wins 45
Dempsey vs Marciano.......... Dempsey wins 45, Marciano wins 55
Holmes vs Liston................. Holmes wins 55, Liston wins 45
Johnson vs Lewis.................Johnson wins 40, Lewis wins 60

NB: I feel sorry for Foreman and Frazier for missing out.

Ali vs Dempsey- 85/15
Holmes vs Johnson- 60/40
Lewis vs Liston- 55/45
Louis vs Marciano- 80/20

Ali vs Holmes- 55/45
Dempsey vs Johnson- 50/50
Lewis vs Louis- 55/45
Liston vs Marciano- 90/10

Ali vs Johnson- 65/35
Dempsey vs Holmes- 25/75
Lewis vs Marciano- 90/10
Liston vs Louis- 45/55

Ali vs Lewis- 55/45
Dempsey vs Liston- 30/70
Holmes vs Louis- 45/55
Johnson vs Marciano- 70/30

Ali vs Liston- 75/25
Dempsey vs Lewis- 15/85
Holmes vs Marciano- 90/10
Johnson vs Louis- 40/60

Ali vs Marciano- 90/10
Dempsey vs Louis- 30/70
Holmes vs Lewis- 50/50
Johnson vs Liston- 50/50

Ali vs Louis- 55/45
Dempsey vs Marciano- 55/45
Holmes vs Liston- 50/50
Johnson vs Lewis- 15/85

jezzamundo wrote:I feel sorry for Foreman and Frazier for missing out.

Same here, I would have them in my top 8 istead of Lewis and Holmes, but the majority rules.

That said, there would have been some very interesting match-ups in there.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:It's pretty impossible to come up with satisfactory numbers for a hundred fights

BarryWashington wrote:To imagine 100 fights is a little over-the-top/ridiculous.

C'mon guys, it's not that difficult... To get accurate numbers there's an easy equation that you could do.

Think of a fight... Rate it how you would see the results best of 10...

Then multiply it by 10 and add where you think single fights will go...
For example a fighter might have 60/100, but to make it morew accurate you could see him winning 3 more fights... Making the number 63.

BUMP.

Ali vs Dempsey-Ali 73, Dempsey 27
Holmes vs Johnson-Holmes 65, Johnson 35
Lewis vs Liston- Liston 63, Lewis 37
Louis vs Marciano-Louis 86, Marciano 14

Ali vs Holmes-Ali 68, Holmes 32
Dempsey vs Johnson-Johnson 55, Dempsey 35
Lewis vs Louis-Louis 75, Lewis 25
Liston vs Marciano- Liston 78, Marciano 22

Ali vs Johnson- Ali 67, Johnson 33
Dempsey vs Holmes- Holmes 66, Dempsey 34
Lewis vs Marciano- Marciano 54, Lewis 46
Liston vs Louis- Louis 61, Liston 39

Ali vs Lewis- Ali 80, Lewis 20
Dempsey vs Liston- Liston 79, Dempsey 21
Holmes vs Louis- Louis 52, Holmes 48
Johnson vs Marciano- Johnson 64, Marciano 36

Ali vs Liston- Ali 88, Liston 12
Dempsey vs Lewis- Dempsey 51, Lewis 49
Holmes vs Marciano- Holmes 76, Marciano 24
Johnson vs Louis- Louis 63, Johnso 37

Ali vs Marciano- Ali 69, Marciano 31
Dempsey vs Louis- Louis 65, Demsey 35
Holmes vs Lewis- Holmes 71, Lewis 29
Johnson vs Liston- Liston 63, Johnson 37

Ali vs Louis- Ali 56, Louis 44
Dempsey vs Marciano- Marciano 60, Dempsey 40
Holmes vs Liston- Holmes 55, Liston 45
Johnson vs Lewis- Johnson 62, Lewis 38

BUMP.

Ali vs Dempsey Ali wins 62
Holmes vs Johnson Holmes wins 52
Lewis vs Liston Liston wins 59
Louis vs Marciano Louis wins 74

Ali vs Holmes Ali wins 58
Dempsey vs Johnson Johnson wins 55
Lewis vs Louis Louis wins 69
Liston vs Marciano Liston wins 58

Ali vs Johnson Ali wins 62
Dempsey vs Holmes Dempsey wins 58
Lewis vs Marciano Lewis wins 61
Liston vs Louis Louis wins 58

Ali vs Lewis Ali wins 83
Dempsey vs Liston Liston wins 59
Holmes vs Louis Louis wins 70
Johnson vs Marciano Johnson wins 52

Ali vs Liston Ali wins 54
Dempsey vs Lewis Dempsey wins 64
Holmes vs Marciano Holmes wins 54
Johnson vs Louis Louis wins 61

Ali vs Marciano Ali wins 71
Dempsey vs Louis Louis wins 63
Holmes vs Lewis Holmes wins 52
Johnson vs Liston Liston wins 52

Ali vs Louis Louis wins 57
Dempsey vs Marciano Dempsey wins 62
Holmes vs Liston Liston wins 54
Johnson vs Lewis Lewis wins 54