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If his next opponent really is Audley I think he should lay off the Klitschko's next opponents, although I will reserve judgment until that one is officially announced. I really think David Haye has lost it. I don't know why he thinks people will side with him on the 50/50 thing. I really liked Haye, but he should take 60/40 if that's what he's offered. He's NOT the champ. In the video he says he's the man. He's not the man. Wlad is the official man. He's Ring champ etc, 2 alphabet belts and 1 junk belt (IBO). Vitali is the unofficial top dog because I think most people think he would win if they faced off. He also took Lennox to the limit. Haye is very definitely third in line. If that's the deal he got offered, it sounds pretty good really. I understand he wants to milk his belt and earn some money... God I'm so bored of this. I watched some interviews with Wlad the other day. He seems like an alright dude. The way things are going with Haye if they end up fighting I am going to end up supporting Wlad! Come on Dave, sort it out.

David has taken the short end of it in pretty much every big fight in his career, why should he do that again now he's paid his dues and got up to world title level at heavyweight? Why should he accept less money to fight a Klit than he can get from flattening Fraudley?

The Klits need better opponents as people are getting bored and the likes of HBO have given up on them. 50/50 is more than fair to fight the one guy who is both exciting and has a chance of winning.

sendo wrote:David has taken the short end of it in pretty much every big fight in his career, why should he do that again now he's paid his dues and got up to world title level at heavyweight? Why should he accept less money to fight a Klit than he can get from flattening Fraudley?

The Klits need better opponents as people are getting bored and the likes of HBO have given up on them. 50/50 is more than fair to fight the one guy who is both exciting and has a chance of winning.

Really?????? Bollox

sendo wrote:David has taken the short end of it in pretty much every big fight in his career, why should he do that again now he's paid his dues and got up to world title level at heavyweight? Why should he accept less money to fight a Klit than he can get from flattening Fraudley? .

Are you nuts? Because we all want to see a Klitschko fight. HE said he wanted this fight! It was supposed to happen 2 years ago. An Audley fight would be OK if Haye was more active. He's not. It's not. 60/40 is still a HUGE lump of money. Of course, when David wins and becomes the champ then he can demand the better deal for the rematch or the Vitali fight. Until then he looks, at best, totally deluded. At worst, completely full of sh*t. I know he posts on here or at least reads this stuff and every time I read someone blindly defending him I wonder if it's him.

I honestly believe David Haye has given a perfectly plausible explanation - why the f*ck should he take anything less than 50% - but whats worse is that when Team Haye called the Klitschko's bluff by stating you keep the German TV money and we will keep the UK money and then 50/50 for the rest of the earnings - the fight still got turned down.

David Haye is perfectly right to tell the Klit's to ram it up their arse!!! - The Klit's have tried to get Haye on the cheap - that was never going to happen!!! - Booth is one f*cking good negoitiator drives me nuts but he offered a fair couple of alternatives and thus in my book the bluff has been called.

clopixolacuphase wrote:

sendo wrote:David has taken the short end of it in pretty much every big fight in his career, why should he do that again now he's paid his dues and got up to world title level at heavyweight? Why should he accept less money to fight a Klit than he can get from flattening Fraudley? .

Are you nuts? Because we all want to see a Klitschko fight. HE said he wanted this fight! It was supposed to happen 2 years ago. An Audley fight would be OK if Haye was more active. He's not. It's not. 60/40 is still a HUGE lump of money. Of course, when David wins and becomes the champ then he can demand the better deal for the rematch or the Vitali fight. Until then he looks, at best, totally deluded. At worst, completely full of sh*t. I know he posts on here or at least reads this stuff and every time I read someone blindly defending him I wonder if it's him.

well my user name and lack of post will probably raise a few eyebrow. but trust me, if i were david haye i'd just whoop your ass

as it happens i think haye is well within his rights to ask for a fair split of the pot.
he was undisputed cruiserwieght champion before stepping up a wieght, so although he's not neccesarily the top man in the heavy wieghts i think he can claim to have done as much in boxing as the klitchkos, who can never unify thier division due to them being brothers,
he's taken on valuev and won, a guy i know the klitchkos would never fight.
he tabled an offer and when it was knocked back, proposed an alternative to try and get the fight done, an offer which would have been better for the klitchko if they have that massive support in germany.
he holds as many belts as vitali does.
although i believe the klitchkos are better at this weight and would most likely beat david. david is without a doubt the strongest competition they have and is the most likely to be able to beat them.
david is the most exciting, explosive and quickest opponent they could take. between this and the fact that he's a gobsh*te (or charismatic as the pundits call him) means a fight with him will sell more tickets than any other opponent they could take on.

neither side can now talk about standard of opposition if the 3 of them go ahead with the joke bouts they have lined up.

i'll be honest, i'd rather haye just bit the bullet and took the drop in money to make it happen. but i respect him, as i did calzaghe, for sticking by his guns and holding out for what he feels is fair and deserved.

to me it sounds like either side could bend a little to make this happen in the same way as the mayweather/pacman debacle could be solved by either side backing down. it's not a case of one side ducking the other. but someone has to give some ground or they'll all be forever critisised for ducking the fight that they all need to take. the heavywieght division has been critisised for some time due to lack of talent and as such the klitchkos often don't get the due their talent deserves. for me they need to take this one as much as haye does to be given full credit for their domination of this division. haye needs it for the obvious reason. the klitchos are the best. beat them and you are the best. simples!

davie wrote:

clopixolacuphase wrote:

sendo wrote:David has taken the short end of it in pretty much every big fight in his career, why should he do that again now he's paid his dues and got up to world title level at heavyweight? Why should he accept less money to fight a Klit than he can get from flattening Fraudley? .

Are you nuts? Because we all want to see a Klitschko fight. HE said he wanted this fight! It was supposed to happen 2 years ago. An Audley fight would be OK if Haye was more active. He's not. It's not. 60/40 is still a HUGE lump of money. Of course, when David wins and becomes the champ then he can demand the better deal for the rematch or the Vitali fight. Until then he looks, at best, totally deluded. At worst, completely full of sh*t. I know he posts on here or at least reads this stuff and every time I read someone blindly defending him I wonder if it's him.

well my user name and lack of post will probably raise a few eyebrow. but trust me, if i were david haye i'd just whoop your ass

as it happens i think haye is well within his rights to ask for a fair split of the pot.
he was undisputed cruiserwieght champion before stepping up a wieght, so although he's not neccesarily the top man in the heavy wieghts i think he can claim to have done as much in boxing as the klitchkos, who can never unify thier division due to them being brothers,
he's taken on valuev and won, a guy i know the klitchkos would never fight.
he tabled an offer and when it was knocked back, proposed an alternative to try and get the fight done, an offer which would have been better for the klitchko if they have that massive support in germany.
he holds as many belts as vitali does.
although i believe the klitchkos are better at this weight and would most likely beat david. david is without a doubt the strongest competition they have and is the most likely to be able to beat them.
david is the most exciting, explosive and quickest opponent they could take. between this and the fact that he's a gobsh*te (or charismatic as the pundits call him) means a fight with him will sell more tickets than any other opponent they could take on.

neither side can now talk about standard of opposition if the 3 of them go ahead with the joke bouts they have lined up.

i'll be honest, i'd rather haye just bit the bullet and took the drop in money to make it happen. but i respect him, as i did calzaghe, for sticking by his guns and holding out for what he feels is fair and deserved.

to me it sounds like either side could bend a little to make this happen in the same way as the mayweather/pacman debacle could be solved by either side backing down. it's not a case of one side ducking the other. but someone has to give some ground or they'll all be forever critisised for ducking the fight that they all need to take. the heavywieght division has been critisised for some time due to lack of talent and as such the klitchkos often don't get the due their talent deserves. for me they need to take this one as much as haye does to be given full credit for their domination of this division. haye needs it for the obvious reason. the klitchos are the best. beat them and you are the best. simples!

To address two points you made...........Sam Peter is not a joke opponent. He is ranked in the top ten by almost everyone. Vitali has defeated three top ten heavyweights since 2008, so his oposition has not been too bad. Also, Vitali made Valuev a career high offer of $2.5 million, and Valuev turned it down. So the only reason the Klitschkos would not fight Valuev is because the giant wants no part of them.

Spud wrote:I honestly believe David Haye has given a perfectly plausible explanation - why the f*ck should he take anything less than 50% - but whats worse is that when Team Haye called the Klitschko's bluff by stating you keep the German TV money and we will keep the UK money and then 50/50 for the rest of the earnings - the fight still got turned down.

David Haye is perfectly right to tell the Klit's to ram it up their arse!!! - The Klit's have tried to get Haye on the cheap - that was never going to happen!!! - Booth is one f*cking good negoitiator drives me nuts but he offered a fair couple of alternatives and thus in my book the bluff has been called.

Haye wants the Klitschkos to break their contract with RTL and approach another channel, which would create a lot of legal problems for them. How is that reasonable?

crusader wrote:

To address two points you made...........Sam Peter is not a joke opponent. He is ranked in the top ten by almost everyone. Vitali has defeated three top ten heavyweights since 2008, so his oposition has not been too bad. Also, Vitali made Valuev a career high offer of $2.5 million, and Valuev turned it down. So the only reason the Klitschkos would not fight Valuev is because the giant wants no part of them.

fair point sam peter is a good, well, ranked heavywieght. but as david says he's already lost to both brothers. (not that that means you can't earn another shot of course). i'll give you that he's a good opponent, but david haye would be a better one, but as we know only too well the best match ups seldom happen

also a good point about vitalis opponents since returning from retirement, in fact i remember being particularly impressed at him walking straight back into a title fight against the affore mentioned mr peters without so much as a warm up fight after 4 years out. but unfortunately it doesn't take away from the fact shannon briggs is a joke opponent (ranks 77th in the world on boxrec)

and i'm not being baised towards haye in that argument, as harrison is the biggest joke of them all. he's a nobody in world boxing and has only been chosen to draw a domestic crowd and earn haye an easy couple million.

all 3 are letting the boxing fans down until they get it on.

crusader wrote:
Haye wants the Klitschkos to break their contract with RTL and approach another channel, which would create a lot of legal problems for them. How is that reasonable?

i didn't get that from that interview (i'll maybe need to watch it again), but the way i picked him up sounded like he was happy for them to maintain the contract and allow rtl to broadcast the fight to the german public. just that he wanted to split the proceeds.

or plan 2 was to allow klitchko to keep all the money from rtl as long as haye could pocket all the money from a uk tv deal

As I understood it.... Klitschko has a deal with RTL, and Haye claims that other German networks were offering more money to broadcast the fight. Haye says that Klitschko refused to breach his contract with RTL, and therfore he was not putting as much money into the pot as he could with another network. In my opinion the original proposal was more than fair----a 50/50 split of the total pot. Haye turned it down because Klitschko wouldn't breach his contract with RTL.

crusader wrote:As I understood it.... Klitschko has a deal with RTL, and Haye claims that other German networks were offering more money to broadcast the fight. Haye says that Klitschko refused to breach his contract with RTL, and therfore he was not putting as much money into the pot as he could with another network. In my opinion the original proposal was more than fair----a 50/50 split of the total pot. Haye turned it down because Klitschko wouldn't breach his contract with RTL.

Completely agree. I would like to know exactly how much money this would have meant for Haye compared to simply splitting the RTL deal. If he wanted to make it happen, he would have signed.

When it comes down to negotiating over potential extra money from TV in one country then I think the people involved are not doing enough to make the fight happen.

haye aint talking splitting purses he's talking revenues, the klits have to divide it with rtl so haye would make more money out of it & he would need to as he'd get hurt. like he said you earn v the weak & so will i.
he's win v valuev was controversial against a guy who cant fight & then a old old ruiz :!: who does haye think he is.

crusader wrote:As I understood it.... Klitschko has a deal with RTL, and Haye claims that other German networks were offering more money to broadcast the fight. Haye says that Klitschko refused to breach his contract with RTL, and therfore he was not putting as much money into the pot as he could with another network. In my opinion the original proposal was more than fair----a 50/50 split of the total pot. Haye turned it down because Klitschko wouldn't breach his contract with RTL.

that seems like a fair offer to haye as well. i wasn't aware haye had been offered a 50/50 split.if thats the case he hasn't a leg to stand on. i understand him trying to get as much money in the pot as possible, but he can't expect someone to breach a contract they have with a network. and if the klichkos have offered him a fair split of the pot. he should really have taken it.

this is all getting a bit silly really