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At heavy or light heavy what happens?

I'd say Moorer wins at either weight. Toney in his prime at SMW is what I'll use for this idea of him vs. Moorer at 175. Moorer was a good enough boxer to be able to measure out Toney, who was a fighter who largely took advantage of opponents' skill-deficiencies and punished them with counters, but against opponents with certain physical advantages he had trouble. I think Moorer could've generally been able to muscle Toney around when he wasn't measuring him out and would take a fairly close but clear decision win.

im assuming prime vs prime because both were active at the same time at heavy but moorer was shot by then but prime vs prime i think moorer wins easier at heavy than light heavy

Your talking one of the historically psychologically strongest fighters vs one of the psychologically weakest. I'm thinkin' this fight may not be about physics...where Moorer might indeed have an edge, but in the squared circle of the noggin and honestly....I don't see how Moorer wins. Toney would talk Moorer into knocking himself out for him While James smoked a stogie and watched.

BoxBuzz wrote:Your talking one of the historically psychologically strongest fighters vs one of the psychologically weakest. I'm thinkin' this fight may not be about physics...where Moorer might indeed have an edge, but in the squared circle of the noggin and honestly....I don't see how Moorer wins. Toney would talk Moorer into knocking himself out for him While James smoked a stogie and watched.

Minds aside, Moorer was --- at Light-Heavy --- an absolute monster. This guy was a punching machine, designed to rip skulls from spinal columns. Toney would have his work cut out for him. At Heavyweight, Moorer had slowed & lost some snap, but he had experience & still reached 35-0-0 (30 KO's) prior to his maiden loss (including a victory over Holyfield), & Toney was shot by the time he reached this division.

It's conceivable Moorer wins both fights.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Your talking one of the historically psychologically strongest fighters vs one of the psychologically weakest. I'm thinkin' this fight may not be about physics...where Moorer might indeed have an edge, but in the squared circle of the noggin and honestly....I don't see how Moorer wins. Toney would talk Moorer into knocking himself out for him While James smoked a stogie and watched.

Minds aside, Moorer was --- at Light-Heavy --- an absolute monster. This guy was a punching machine, designed to rip skulls from spinal columns. Toney would have his work cut out for him. At Heavyweight, Moorer had slowed & lost some snap, but he had experience & still reached 35-0-0 (30 KO's) prior to his maiden loss (including a victory over Holyfield), & Toney was shot by the time he reached this division.

It's conceivable Moorer wins both fights.

There are 2 variables that basically make this fight. Is Toney weighing 219 or 238? Is Moorer's head in the game or is he unfocused like he often was at heavy. Either answer decides the fight 99% of the time.

I agree this fight would have been best pitting the 168lbs Toney who dismantled Barkley vs the 175lb Moorer who was unbeaten and on an incredible streak with that WBO title.

I think JT nicks it with his superior boxing skills on points

Moorer could punch but Toney isn’t going to be stopped by a single shot. Moorer was quite young when at 175… I think he can knock out any LHW with a B+ chin or below but I don’t think he can knock out Toney.

Ezzard wrote:Moorer could punch but Toney isn’t going to be stopped by a single shot. Moorer was quite young when at 175… I think he can knock out any LHW with a B+ chin or below but I don’t think he can knock out Toney.

Not a straight KO, but I wouldn't call a quick TKO out of the question --- Moorer could stun him & stop him with a heavy, fast flurry, given the right ref & conditions. Moorer was an absolutely massive Light-Heavy, draining significantly, & punching holes through men.

Again, Toney would have his work cut out for him at either weight.

BoxBuzz wrote:Your talking one of the historically psychologically strongest fighters vs one of the psychologically weakest. I'm thinkin' this fight may not be about physics...where Moorer might indeed have an edge, but in the squared circle of the noggin and honestly....I don't see how Moorer wins. Toney would talk Moorer into knocking himself out for him While James smoked a stogie and watched.

"one of the psychologically weakest" man that's harsh. When did Moorer really display display such a huge psychological weakness? And please don't site the first Holyfield fight. This 'psychologically weak' nonsense was born when Atlas acted like a circus monkey on speed during the first Holyfield fight. Imagine Atlas in Toneys corner during the Tiberi or Jones fight. Moorer was lackluster more than anything.

As for Toney vs. Moorer I think Toney would have had his hands full, especially at light heavy. Moorer was a destroyer at light heavy.