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Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 17:49**

Discuss? Just don't see how Tony wins.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 17:52**

SteveDow wrote:Discuss? Just don't see how Tony wins.

You can't say that after one off night. Do you think Tony would fight Nathan with these tactics?
Unfair comment if you ask me.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 17:57**

For me Nathan is at a more advanced stage of his career than Tony, I'm a big fan of both but I believe Nathan has too much for Tony if they met soon.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 17:59**

Even before tonight id favour Cleverly over Bellew(there at differant levels)
Very disappointed at his performance tonight,just a bit worried thinking if he dont knock em out he seems abit lost&will be found out before he get anywhere near Cleverly...Hope im wrong...

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:03**

Yer, nathan miles ahead, bellew may of had an off night or maybe he has stepped up a level and cant find the extra gear that he needs.
without any disrespect to anyone, cleverly v bellew for me is simular to haye v harrison, it will be over within 3 rounds guarenteed.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:07**

jessi wrote:Yer, nathan miles ahead, bellew may of had an off night or maybe he has stepped up a level and cant find the extra gear that he needs.
without any disrespect to anyone, cleverly v bellew for me is simular to haye v harrison, it will be over within 3 rounds guarenteed.

Wouldn't you look silly if Harrison lands the left hand early and does Haye?
It's easy to sit and back heavy favourites but this is boxing. Ask Buster Douglas.
You've used a silly comparison

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:08**

Smigga, I respect you and I understand why you want to defend your mate but I'll go into more detail about my observation. Firstly, Tony relies on his power way too much. This is ok at lower level when opponents have no footspeed and can't evade the shots. Tony has a habit of delibarately planting his feet before he throws a shot and you can see this a mile off. Someone like Cleverly would never be caught like this. Bellew needs to throw more faints before letting the right hand go. Secondly, Bellew simply doesn't have the boxing skills to out slick Cleverly who is fast and elusive. Thirdly I'm not sure Tony can take Clevs power which is decent at this level. All in all he'd be embarrased in my opinion.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:10**

Smigga

You are making yourself look very silly, Tony only fights one way, Nathan would play with him sorry.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:12**

taffytoon wrote:Smigga

You are making yourself look very silly, Tony only fights one way, Nathan would play with him sorry.

to be fair they are at different stages in their career give it a year and a half and then its fair to make a comparison.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:12**

Its to early to compare, i remember that Cleverly didn't look great against Joey Vegas , at about the same time in his career as Bellew is at now.

If they met last week, then yes i'd say Cleverly would be a favourite, but its all about meeting when both are at their prime, and thats not yet for either.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:13**

SteveDow wrote:Smigga, I respect you and I understand why you want to defend your mate but I'll go into more detail about my observation. Firstly, Tony relies on his power way too much. This is ok at lower level when opponents have no footspeed and can't evade the shots. Tony has a habit of delibarately planting his feet before he throws a shot and you can see this a mile off. Someone like Cleverly would never be caught like this. Bellew needs to throw more faints before letting the right hand go. Secondly, Bellew simply doesn't have the boxing skills to out slick Cleverly who is fast and elusive. Thirdly I'm not sure Tony can take Clevs power which is decent at this level. All in all he'd be embarrased in my opinion.

THIS

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:13**

Bellew is no way in Nathan class looking for bombs all the time,had a little step up in class and looked average .,

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:14**

taffytoon wrote:Smigga

You are making yourself look very silly, Tony only fights one way, Nathan would play with him sorry.

Taffy, you've seen him how many times? I've been in the same gym as him since I was 16.... Sparred many many rounds. Look he had an offnight, I'm not defending him as a mate I'm defending what I've seen. Very diplomatic reply though, thanks

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:16**

Old bones Ian wrote:Its to early to compare, i remember that Cleverly didn't look great against Joey Vegas , at about the same time in his career as Bellew is at now.

If they met last week, then yes i'd say Cleverly would be a favourite, but its all about meeting when both are at their prime, and thats not yet for either.

Yes but it isn't Cleverly Calling Bellew out is it? Tony needs to look at this fight and realise that he is no where near ready for Clev. I like Tony but some of the comments about him being ready to fight Clev is silly IMHO. You will now see an awful lot of fightrs lining up to take Tonies 0 Because it is very doable.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:17**

SteveDow wrote:Smigga, I respect you and I understand why you want to defend your mate but I'll go into more detail about my observation. Firstly, Tony relies on his power way too much. This is ok at lower level when opponents have no footspeed and can't evade the shots. Tony has a habit of delibarately planting his feet before he throws a shot and you can see this a mile off. Someone like Cleverly would never be caught like this. Bellew needs to throw more faints before letting the right hand go. Secondly, Bellew simply doesn't have the boxing skills to out slick Cleverly who is fast and elusive. Thirdly I'm not sure Tony can take Clevs power which is decent at this level. All in all he'd be embarrased in my opinion.

Thanks Steve, great points. Tony just f*cked up tonight looking for the ko. I text him today wishing him all the best and the first thing I said was "relax and don't look for it"
He CAN box, and well.... Just a bad day at the office and again I say this as an observer and not a mate.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:17**

Smigga wrote:
taffytoon wrote:Smigga

You are making yourself look very silly, Tony only fights one way, Nathan would play with him sorry.
Taffy, you've seen him how many times? I've been in the same gym as him since I was 16.... Sparred many many rounds. Look he had an offnight, I'm not defending him as a mate I'm defending what I've seen. Very diplomatic reply though, thanks

I have seen him a few times as Tony will tell you, if you honestly think he is ready to fight Clev you are being very silly. This is a fact.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:20**

taffytoon wrote:
Smigga wrote:
taffytoon wrote:Smigga

You are making yourself look very silly, Tony only fights one way, Nathan would play with him sorry.
Taffy, you've seen him how many times? I've been in the same gym as him since I was 16.... Sparred many many rounds. Look he had an offnight, I'm not defending him as a mate I'm defending what I've seen. Very diplomatic reply though, thanks
I have seen him a few times as Tony will tell you, if you honestly think he is ready to fight Clev you are being very silly. This is a fact.

Have I once said he is ready for Cleverley???? Please show me where....
I'm not silly, trust me.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:22**

Smigga wrote:
taffytoon wrote:
Smigga wrote: Taffy, you've seen him how many times? I've been in the same gym as him since I was 16.... Sparred many many rounds. Look he had an offnight, I'm not defending him as a mate I'm defending what I've seen. Very diplomatic reply though, thanks
I have seen him a few times as Tony will tell you, if you honestly think he is ready to fight Clev you are being very silly. This is a fact.
Have I once said he is ready for Cleverley???? Please show me where....
I'm not silly, trust me.

Not sure if you have on haven't I'm just saying IF you do then your are being silly buddy. If you don't think he is ready then I appologise as your correct.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:26**

I really like Tony and I want him to do well but we have to be honest here, this was an awful performance. It's all good and well praising him because he's on boxrec and a nice guy etc but he seriously needs to go back to the drawing board. To be honest he looked like a poor mans Enzo Maccarinelli tonight. Constantly looking for the big shot, no head movement, no subtlety and overconfidence which is unjustified. Harsh but true. Hope he focuses on using his boxing skills and learns from this.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:26**

smigga i bet your happy he done sh1t, i bet it made your day.

ajisafe felt power but bellew couldnt go through the gear's as he aint strong at l.heavy.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:28**

Smigga wrote:
SteveDow wrote:Smigga, I respect you and I understand why you want to defend your mate but I'll go into more detail about my observation. Firstly, Tony relies on his power way too much. This is ok at lower level when opponents have no footspeed and can't evade the shots. Tony has a habit of delibarately planting his feet before he throws a shot and you can see this a mile off. Someone like Cleverly would never be caught like this. Bellew needs to throw more faints before letting the right hand go. Secondly, Bellew simply doesn't have the boxing skills to out slick Cleverly who is fast and elusive. Thirdly I'm not sure Tony can take Clevs power which is decent at this level. All in all he'd be embarrased in my opinion.
Thanks Steve, great points. Tony just f*cked up tonight looking for the ko. I text him today wishing him all the best and the first thing I said was "relax and don't look for it"
He CAN box, and well.... Just a bad day at the office and again I say this as an observer and not a mate.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:30**

Old bones Ian wrote:Its to early to compare, i remember that Cleverly didn't look great against Joey Vegas , at about the same time in his career as Bellew is at now.

If they met last week, then yes i'd say Cleverly would be a favourite, but its all about meeting when both are at their prime, and thats not yet for either.

That's a really good point. Too often we're judging fighters based on one performance, but as history has shown time and time again, any fighter can have an off night. In fact, you can argue that these are the times where they learn the most.
I'm using an extreme example just to make a point, but look at the way Benn responded to the Watson loss - if this forum had been up and running then you can guarantee there'd have been people rushing to their keyboards to declare him a fraud and that he was finished. Surely no-one can deny that?
For me, the most important thing in light of this performance is not the performance itself, but how Tony responds to it. That will be the true measure of his potential.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:37**

hurlock wrote:smigga i bet your happy he done sh1t, i bet it made your day.

ajisafe felt power but bellew couldnt go through the gear's as he aint strong at l.heavy.

This is why no one on here takes much notice of the sh*te you write.
Why for one minute would I be happy he performed badly. Don't answer that, it's not a question :>

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:38**

Smigga wrote:
SteveDow wrote:Smigga, I respect you and I understand why you want to defend your mate but I'll go into more detail about my observation. Firstly, Tony relies on his power way too much. This is ok at lower level when opponents have no footspeed and can't evade the shots. Tony has a habit of delibarately planting his feet before he throws a shot and you can see this a mile off. Someone like Cleverly would never be caught like this. Bellew needs to throw more faints before letting the right hand go. Secondly, Bellew simply doesn't have the boxing skills to out slick Cleverly who is fast and elusive. Thirdly I'm not sure Tony can take Clevs power which is decent at this level. All in all he'd be embarrased in my opinion.
Thanks Steve, great points. Tony just f*cked up tonight looking for the ko. I text him today wishing him all the best and the first thing I said was "relax and don't look for it"
He CAN box, and well.... Just a bad day at the office and again I say this as an observer and not a mate.

Agreed mate. It was heartbreaking to see him produce that tonight. He'll be feeling as awful as anything but maybe it's the best thing that could have happened. I think he could do with a bit of time in the States, sparring with guys who can take his power and who will develop his skills. I think he can go very far in the sport and I'd love to see him go all the way but sometimes it all needs laying out.

Posted: **24 Sep 2010, 18:40**

Smigga wrote:
hurlock wrote:smigga i bet your happy he done sh1t, i bet it made your day.

ajisafe felt power but bellew couldnt go through the gear's as he aint strong at l.heavy.
This is why no one on here takes much notice of the sh*te you write.
Why for one minute would I be happy he performed badly. Don't answer that, it's not a question :>

nor a contradiction :>

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