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I'm starting to wonder about Farnell's capabilities as a trainer and tutor. His team seem to only have a Plan A, which seems to be easily countered by awkward fighters.

Anyone else feel that, or am I being harsh?

Abbo wrote:I'm starting to wonder about Farnell's capabilities as a trainer and tutor. His team seem to only have a Plan A, which seems to be easily countered by awkward fighters.

Anyone else feel that, or am I being harsh?

I put on another thread people rave about him,but to me Powell made more sense last night in the corner,im not saying he is not a good trainer but,Bellew&Gavin were class amatuers before they turned over with him..
Could he turn a boxer not as good as the 2 mentioned from a novice to a class boxer?
i dont mean any disrespect in this post

Granted, so why / how has he been given the lead with a stable full of exciting young starlets?

Abbo wrote:I'm starting to wonder about Farnell's capabilities as a trainer and tutor. His team seem to only have a Plan A, which seems to be easily countered by awkward fighters.

Anyone else feel that, or am I being harsh?

valid question after Hall and Bellew performances, but he's still learning the training side and I think he's good and will get better, using someone else alongside suggests an open mind to me and I thought his advice to Bellew to use the uppercut and stop moaning was spot on - but Bellew didn't do as he was told. Bellew looked limited to me last night for a 3 time ABA champ with 13 pro fights, didn't ever seem to throw more than 2 punches at a time and always left jab, big right hand - too predictable as he moves up in class.

he has some top talent and the fighters sound like they enjoy working with him.

but there will be backlash because ppl have been hyping him before he's produced lots of champions.

MachoMan09 wrote:
Also, Anthony had to be build from a tough kid into the box-fighter he was in a step-by-step methodical way. It didn't come naturally. Brian Hughes did a great job achieving this, by the way. Because of this and unlike some of the naturals that get into the sport, and despite his relative youth, Anthony understands the principles of building a fighter from the ground up.

Great point MM.

He is the best young trainer in the British game for my money.

He lives and breathes the sport, is learning all the time, embraces modern sport science whilst having had a great grounding in the technical aspects of boxing through Brian Hughes.

Those qualities alone paint a bright future for Farnell.

agree with macho, powell is a positive input & farnell aint threatend by him.powell will say simple stuff like your moving one way get your foot outside his left, bla,bla,bla. farnell really cares & is supportive.
big frank allway's bark's out great advice i feel.

TerribleTerry wrote:
He is the best young trainer in the British game for my money.

Admittedly I only watched on a stream, but Dominic Ingle impressed in the other corner, and the improvements in Brook, Towers and Kid Galahad are evident.

What Ive seen, He will turn into one fornicating good coach.

To answer the thread, not on last night's showing.

Scrap wrote:What Ive seen, He will turn into one fornicating good coach.

Instead of passing on sexual techniques how about teaching Bumber1 to jab.

Abbo wrote:I'm starting to wonder about Farnell's capabilities as a trainer and tutor. His team seem to only have a Plan A, which seems to be easily countered by awkward fighters.

Anyone else feel that, or am I being harsh?

I feel you are being extremely harsh.

I have seen Farnell first hand the way he trains his fighters in the gym - and then subsequently the way he handles situations in the corner of fights - I consider him an exemplary young trainer who is going places if he continues to progress the way I consider he is at present.

Time and time again when there are situations with a fight - the fighter never blames himself - its always the trainer who is sacked. Time and time again you hear advice being given to a fighter - and as soon as he goes out for the next round he does exactly the opposite as if he knows best and does not want to consider what the trainer is advising.

Back to Farnell - so far excellent - still has a bit to learn but surely that applies to every single young trainer that has ever started in boxing.

One of his boxers has suffered a knock down - so what - it will probably do him good.

Beagle, He throws a jab well.

beagleboy wrote:

Scrap wrote:What Ive seen, He will turn into one fornicating good coach.

Instead of passing on sexual techniques how about teaching Bumber1 to jab.

Beagleboy - been told the beer belly on you is growing by the day - the bloke at my corner shop says you are the gym b*tch at the Wincobank?? - surely thats not true?

I don't think it's anything to do with arnie how belew performed last night. It belew thinking he can bang everyone out when u go looking for a ko it's not gonna come he should have boxed more an picked his shot an it might of come !!

Bellew has shown limitations in past fights as well. This was very bad. I think he needs to get away from Farnell and get to a respected american trainer before it is too late. he has all the potential to be the new Enzo Maccarinelli and I wouldn't like to see that happen. He has bad habits and a bad mentality. This could be changed by getting with someone like Freddy Roach, Emmanuel Stewart, Buddy McGirt etc and he would develop well faster than staying in a comfort zone with Farnell. Look at Amir Khan and how he developed. I think Bellew needs to seriously think about his position and his career. He did a lot of damage to his reputation last night. He should take a leaf out of Tony Jeffries book and get a top American trainer and relocate and live the hard life because he has potential but if he keeps going the way he is going I can't see his potential being realized.

goldbird wrote:Bellew has shown limitations in past fights as well. This was very bad. I think he needs to get away from Farnell and get to a respected american trainer before it is too late. he has all the potential to be the new Enzo Maccarinelli and I wouldn't like to see that happen. He has bad habits and a bad mentality. This could be changed by getting with someone like Freddy Roach, Emmanuel Stewart, Buddy McGirt etc and he would develop well faster than staying in a comfort zone with Farnell. Look at Amir Khan and how he developed. I think Bellew needs to seriously think about his position and his career. He did a lot of damage to his reputation last night. He should take a leaf out of Tony Jeffries book and get a top American trainer and relocate and live the hard life because he has potential but if he keeps going the way he is going I can't see his potential being realized.

Fvcking hell mate, it's been one fight. It's not as though we're getting used to seeing a poor Bellew. The fight last night will do him the world of good, he'll learn from it. If nothing changes in the next few fights then you'll have a point, but it's way to earlier to make that assessment.

I think Arnie comes across as passionate and knowledgable - but main the thing is he shares a connection with his lads.

My only concern is they don't suddenly fall into the mode of thinking that they have become invincible.

From here on in, the fights are going to get tougher, the stakes are going to be higher and perhaps the whole stable wont come through the journey intact.

Sometimes when a stable of fighters are a tight unit, friends almost, they cannot be honest with each and gloss over stuff. Hopefully Arnie & co will have a different approach. One of being straight and honest with one another.

The say the best fighters are forged in the hottest of battles, one where they don't have it all they're own way, fights they dont look good in, where they get dropped and face adversity.

Bellew will learn more about himself from his fight against Bob, than any previous - and Arnie will too.

"Every day is a school day" they say. And Bellew got a grade 'C' last night in his exam, but the main thing is he passed it and will improve from here on in.

Even Clev flunked a few exams on his way to graduating in boxing.

GOmez - very good post IMO. The boxers that Farnell trains seem really close. The camp must be very tight; that has advantages and disadvantages. Anthony Farnell was a very well conditioned and top level boxer. He knows the game; One tricky fight does not make a fighter or the trainer no good. Dom Ingle has had a lifetime around a gym and has a massively underated trainer in his father. Farnell will turn out more than a few top fighters (I hope that they treat him better than Oliver Harrison was treat when they get a sniff of $$$)

Manchester Massive wrote:

Abbo wrote:I'm starting to wonder about Farnell's capabilities as a trainer and tutor. His team seem to only have a Plan A, which seems to be easily countered by awkward fighters.

Anyone else feel that, or am I being harsh?

valid question after Hall and Bellew performances, but he's still learning the training side and I think he's good and will get better, using someone else alongside suggests an open mind to me and I thought his advice to Bellew to use the uppercut and stop moaning was spot on - but Bellew didn't do as he was told. Bellew looked limited to me last night for a 3 time ABA champ with 13 pro fights, didn't ever seem to throw more than 2 punches at a time and always left jab, big right hand - too predictable as he moves up in class.

I dont think you can use Hall as an example as to me he just wasnt good enough and konechy was a more solid version of himself so to speak!I think Arnie is a good trainer who knows boxing very well.At the end of the day a trainer can tell you to do this and that and work out a game plan but if the boxer doesnt stick to it theres nothing he can do!Even Freddie roach who's probably the worlds number 1 trainer still corners and trains guys who lose fights!

You cant write farnell of as a bad coach on this performance he gave the advice and Bomber didn't listen,Frankie Gavin last week put in a very good performance..Bellow had the pedigree,Ajisafe had the plan and the confidence also the experience of being in a good gym with plenty of talent.
As for Bellew opting for an American trainer I disagree,has Matthew Macklin improved under Freddie Roach ? personally I dont think so!
Dean Powell,he has seen it all,he has had the experience of observing some very good corner men and has picked up plenty of knowledge,I dont think he has it in him to be a successful trainer though.Very much the same way that Dave Coldwell has used what he learned from his days at the wincobank gym and Brendan Ingle but Powell/Coldwell/Farnell have never developed a fighter from the ground up in the way that Oliver Harrison and Bob Shannon and Brian Hughes have done.Farnell will make mistakes even with the talented fighters he has(lets not forget talented fighters also make plenty of mistakes on their own too) it will be a steep learning curve but he seems to be on the right track.

SexySouthPaw wrote:Dean Powell,he has seen it all,he has had the experience of observing some very good corner men and has picked up plenty of knowledge,I dont think he has it in him to be a successful trainer though.

You are f*cking clueless in my view.

Arnie is a good coach, My poor peformance last night was nothing to do with him!! The book stops with me!! I didn;t listen and was more concerened with looking for the big shot!! Poor performance but I will learn from it and Arnie is my coach and will continue to be as he's brilliant at his job..

Once again blame me not him!! He's the best young coach in the game!!

Bomber 1 wrote:Arnie is a good coach, My poor peformance last night was nothing to do with him!! The book stops with me!! I didn;t listen and was more concerened with looking for the big shot!! Poor performance but I will learn from it and Arnie is my coach and will continue to be as he's brilliant at his job..

Once again blame me not him!! He's the best young coach in the game!!

Good to see you come out and defend him bomber!Certain fighters in your position would just keep quiet and not say anything!

Bomber 1 wrote:Arnie is a good coach, My poor peformance last night was nothing to do with him!! The book stops with me!! I didn;t listen and was more concerened with looking for the big shot!! Poor performance but I will learn from it and Arnie is my coach and will continue to be as he's brilliant at his job..

Once again blame me not him!! He's the best young coach in the game!!

We all have a bad day at the office now and again. It's how you reflect on the performance and come back that really counts.

I knew it would be a tough night for you last night, they should drown southpaws at birth! especially Ingle trained ones!!

Bomber and Arnie will reflect and put things right I'm sure, Onwards and upwards mate, no problem.