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Very good issue this month. Lillis on Audley is great - some top quotes and hypes even a jaded tw*t like me up; Shannon Briggs' quotes to Farhood are funny as...; the feature on the ams in Sheffield is great...haven't read the rest yet.

wont get it just yet.....

Can I just say that this months BM is a class read. Loved finding out about the amateurs and Mugabi etc... £3.80 may seem a lot, but its absolutely brilliantly put together. Best one i've bought for a while.

Jeff Thomas wrote:Can I just say that this months BM is a class read. Loved finding out about the amateurs and Mugabi etc... £3.80 may seem a lot, but its absolutely brilliantly put together. Best one i've bought for a while.

Honeyghan's memories of Mugabi is funny as. Blimey, he must have been terrible to spar against.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:Can I just say that this months BM is a class read. Loved finding out about the amateurs and Mugabi etc... £3.80 may seem a lot, but its absolutely brilliantly put together. Best one i've bought for a while.

Honeyghan's memories of Mugabi is funny as. Blimey, he must have been terrible to spar against.

Yep.... Mugabi is one of those guys who probably doesn't get the respect he deserves anymore. Those two blast outs at the hands of top fighters in McLellon and Norris really bring his credability down- shame really.

Jeff Thomas wrote: Yep.... Mugabi is one of those guys who probably doesn't get the respect he deserves anymore. Those two blast outs at the hands of top fighters in McLellon and Norris really bring his credability down- shame really.

Shouldn't do. The Beast was the real deal, until Hagler ruined him. I mean, you couldn't get a tougher title challenge than Marvin Hagler, and he moved up a division to take him on.
Norris caught him with a great left hook, but I think his legs were gone even then ( rumours of very bad syphilis ).
And he looked like he was walking on his heels, on the way to the ring to get sacrificed to McClellan.

Remember George Francis, telling me Storys about Him. Think He put 20 on Georges looks :OhYesc cringe worthy tales DD

Sounds good, I think I will save it for this weekend to read when I take the missus to Monte Carlo. Was supposed to be going for Froch Abraham (sobs)

Jeff Thomas wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:Can I just say that this months BM is a class read. Loved finding out about the amateurs and Mugabi etc... £3.80 may seem a lot, but its absolutely brilliantly put together. Best one i've bought for a while.

Honeyghan's memories of Mugabi is funny as. Blimey, he must have been terrible to spar against.

Yep.... Mugabi is one of those guys who probably doesn't get the respect he deserves anymore. Those two blast outs at the hands of top fighters in McLellon and Norris really bring his credability down- shame really.

They might bring his crdibility down amongst the youngsters who werent around at the time, but when he fought Norris he was sucking lemons and eating grapes for three week, (yes three weeks) just to make 154, and his lifestyle was horrific. 18 months later he fights McClellan after zero preparation, I think I saw him fight at Latchmere Leisure Centre in Battersea the fight before?. Do you know how much he got paid to fight McClellan? £14,000.

In his prime Mugabi was one of the best 154/160 of all time. He just didnt live the life. As an amatuer he was 195-5 with about 150 KO's.

Is it a big feature on him in BM? I'll have to buy it.

And for the record, taking nothing away from either of them Thomas Hearns and Donald Curry both ducked him. That is a fact.

People talk about Mugabi taking a lot out of Hagler prior to Leonard, which he did, but Hagler took a lot out of Mugabi in return. The Beast was never quite the same, and I'm not sure it was the smartest match in the world by Mickey Duff.
Mugabi blew his $320,000 (net) in six weeks.

What's on the cover? Alas can't get it here.

oliverfennell wrote:What's on the cover? Alas can't get it here.

Champ (Pac) v The Cheat (Marg)

cracking edition

MightyWarrior wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote: Yep.... Mugabi is one of those guys who probably doesn't get the respect he deserves anymore. Those two blast outs at the hands of top fighters in McLellon and Norris really bring his credability down- shame really.

Shouldn't do. The Beast was the real deal, until Hagler ruined him. I mean, you couldn't get a tougher title challenge than Marvin Hagler, and he moved up a division to take him on.
Norris caught him with a great left hook, but I think his legs were gone even then ( rumours of very bad syphilis ).
And he looked like he was walking on his heels, on the way to the ring to get sacrificed to McClellan.

You noticed the legs shaking too. I admit i looked like i was on roller skates!

Yes very good issue, the Mugabi interview was great, and the Lillis interview with Audley was excellent. It's interesting, as I remember Haye 10 years ago, wide eyed and hanging onto Audley's coat tails....and now, like Audley asks "where did all that anger suddenly come from?"

I think Haye is trying to work himself into a rage, as he must find it very difficult to shake off the memories he has of Audley as a big bother type figure, who helped out the young Haye a lot. Someone he really looked up to.
As weird as it sounds, I get the impression Haye is still a bit intimidated by his old fallen idol. Just a mental edge Harrison might still have, at the back of his mind.

Cover was ok, but why does millionaire Margarito still get his hair cut at Toppers ?
And let's hope the headline The Champ v The Cheat doesn't reach new levels of irony if Pac Man gets caught out too, god forbid.
Just remember, before the scandal, Margariot was seen in the same sort of light as Pac man : a poor humble boy made good, toppling legends and being avoided by Mayweather and co.

MightyWarrior wrote:the Lillis interview with Audley was excellent. It's interesting, as I remember Haye 10 years ago, wide eyed and hanging onto Audley's coat tails....and now, like Audley asks "where did all that anger suddenly come from?"

You know what, MW, I actually think this specific issue will have a lot of fans rooting for Audley. There's definitely injustice in the air - it just seems bang out of order, as plastic Cockneys would say.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:the Lillis interview with Audley was excellent. It's interesting, as I remember Haye 10 years ago, wide eyed and hanging onto Audley's coat tails....and now, like Audley asks "where did all that anger suddenly come from?"

You know what, MW, I actually think this specific issue will have a lot of fans rooting for Audley. There's definitely injustice in the air - it just seems bang out of order, as plastic Cockneys would say.

Yep that's exactly what I felt after reading that Ian, a bit sorry for Audley in this instance. To have all his previous good will thrown back in his face, then to get knocked out as well, seems too much for any man.

I don't personally take any offense; but I find it odd that Glyn makes yet again a 'racist' remark against Alvarez. Why is it that white people, and especially gingers are fair game but not other people?

Not that bothered really bit I find it odd.

I really hope Alvarez does well; he must have suffered for beingtaht pale and being a red head in MExico

reggaereggae wrote:I don't personally take any offense; but I find it odd that Glyn makes yet again a 'racist' remark against Alvarez. Why is it that white people, and especially gingers are fair game but not other people?

Not that bothered really bit I find it odd.

I really hope Alvarez does well; he must have suffered for beingtaht pale and being a red head in MExico

Certainly wasn't 'racist' reggae, speech marks or not. For want of a better term, maybe it was 'hairist'? 'Physical typist' perhaps? But 'racist', definitely not. Is James DeGale 'racist' for referring to George Groves as an 'ugly ginger kid'? Don't think so. Anyway, no harm was intended and none was felt — Alvarez has cooperated with a BM interview since then and he's quite happy, he has broad shoulders (as you imply, he's probably had more than a little pee-taking in Mexico due to his appearance). But he's quite welcome to call me a fat half-Welshman if he likes, I try not to take life too seriously

Ginger people have no soul.

Glyn Leach wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:I don't personally take any offense; but I find it odd that Glyn makes yet again a 'racist' remark against Alvarez. Why is it that white people, and especially gingers are fair game but not other people?

Not that bothered really bit I find it odd.

I really hope Alvarez does well; he must have suffered for beingtaht pale and being a red head in MExico

Certainly wasn't 'racist' reggae, speech marks or not. For want of a better term, maybe it was 'hairist'? 'Physical typist' perhaps? But 'racist', definitely not. Is James DeGale 'racist' for referring to George Groves as an 'ugly ginger kid'? Don't think so. Anyway, no harm was intended and none was felt — Alvarez has cooperated with a BM interview since then and he's quite happy, he has broad shoulders (as you imply, he's probably had more than a little pee-taking in Mexico due to his appearance). But he's quite welcome to call me a fat half-Welshman if he likes, I try not to take life too seriously

Yes I don't think it's useful the way people are termed 'racist' at every turn. However, let's be clear - it's only white people that are ginger; and the ginger gene also comes with very pale skin. It's more than a hair colour; it's virtually an ethnicity.

I mean, imagine if Groves called Degale a Fuzzy-wuzzy or took the piss out of Afro hair? THis only refers to hair; but he would get slated.
As to Degale's comment, I find it distasteful that he makes that remark publicly on live TV. It's puerile and hateful - red heads are slated, bullied and taken the piss out of mercilessly throughout their lives, just for their complexion and hair. I'm sure a lot of redheads really resent the stick they get / got. I have heard a theory that redheaded men grow up mentally very tough because of the stick they get. All the gingers in MMA seem to be nutters....

Anyway I don't mean to get on any high-horse, and it was by no means a personal attack on you - I know you have a good sense of humour - but I was more referring to the hypocrisy I feel that it's not OK to make remarks of a physical nature about non-white peoples, but whites are just open season (esp Gingers!)

PS I am not ginger myself!
PPS if 'ginger' is not an insult, I'd like to see someone say that to Eamon Magee's face!
PPPS My commiserations for being half-welsh

reggaereggae wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:I don't personally take any offense; but I find it odd that Glyn makes yet again a 'racist' remark against Alvarez. Why is it that white people, and especially gingers are fair game but not other people?

Not that bothered really bit I find it odd.

I really hope Alvarez does well; he must have suffered for beingtaht pale and being a red head in MExico

Certainly wasn't 'racist' reggae, speech marks or not. For want of a better term, maybe it was 'hairist'? 'Physical typist' perhaps? But 'racist', definitely not. Is James DeGale 'racist' for referring to George Groves as an 'ugly ginger kid'? Don't think so. Anyway, no harm was intended and none was felt — Alvarez has cooperated with a BM interview since then and he's quite happy, he has broad shoulders (as you imply, he's probably had more than a little pee-taking in Mexico due to his appearance). But he's quite welcome to call me a fat half-Welshman if he likes, I try not to take life too seriously

Yes I don't think it's useful the way people are termed 'racist' at every turn. However, let's be clear - it's only white people that are ginger; and the ginger gene also comes with very pale skin. It's more than a hair colour; it's virtually an ethnicity.

I mean, imagine if Groves called Degale a Fuzzy-wuzzy or took the piss out of Afro hair? THis only refers to hair; but he would get slated.
As to Degale's comment, I find it distasteful that he makes that remark publicly on live TV. It's puerile and hateful - red heads are slated, bullied and taken the piss out of mercilessly throughout their lives, just for their complexion and hair. I'm sure a lot of redheads really resent the stick they get / got. I have heard a theory that redheaded men grow up mentally very tough because of the stick they get. All the gingers in MMA seem to be nutters....

Anyway I don't mean to get on any high-horse, and it was by no means a personal attack on you - I know you have a good sense of humour - but I was more referring to the hypocrisy I feel that it's not OK to make remarks of a physical nature about non-white peoples, but whites are just open season (esp Gingers!)

PS I am not ginger myself!
PPS if 'ginger' is not an insult, I'd like to see someone say that to Eamon Magee's face!
PPPS My commiserations for being half-welsh

You make a good point reggae, a strange case of multiple standards in this area, for sure. And I would never even risk saying hello to Eamonn Magee's face, just in case he'd got out of the wrong side of the bed that day! But most importantly, I wonder where Ginger Tshabalala fits into all this?

Glyn Leach wrote:

reggaereggae wrote: Yes I don't think it's useful the way people are termed 'racist' at every turn. However, let's be clear - it's only white people that are ginger; and the ginger gene also comes with very pale skin. It's more than a hair colour; it's virtually an ethnicity.

I mean, imagine if Groves called Degale a Fuzzy-wuzzy or took the piss out of Afro hair? THis only refers to hair; but he would get slated.
As to Degale's comment, I find it distasteful that he makes that remark publicly on live TV. It's puerile and hateful - red heads are slated, bullied and taken the piss out of mercilessly throughout their lives, just for their complexion and hair. I'm sure a lot of redheads really resent the stick they get / got. I have heard a theory that redheaded men grow up mentally very tough because of the stick they get. All the gingers in MMA seem to be nutters....

Anyway I don't mean to get on any high-horse, and it was by no means a personal attack on you - I know you have a good sense of humour - but I was more referring to the hypocrisy I feel that it's not OK to make remarks of a physical nature about non-white peoples, but whites are just open season (esp Gingers!)

PS I am not ginger myself!
PPS if 'ginger' is not an insult, I'd like to see someone say that to Eamon Magee's face!
PPPS My commiserations for being half-welsh

You make a good point reggae, a strange case of multiple standards in this area, for sure. And I would never even risk saying hello to Eamonn Magee's face, just in case he'd got out of the wrong side of the bed that day! But most importantly, I wonder where Ginger Tshabalala fits into all this?

or Bruce Scott when he dyed his hair ginger.

ON a serious note I believe Ginger Tsabalala died some time ago. Can't remember how. I sometimes mistake him for Courage Tsabalala (don't know if related) who unfortunately also died 5 years or so ago.

The latter was a prospect who lost for the first time in a big upset to Brian Scott...who sadly dies recently also..

Sad times