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Following on for these Best/Worst lists we seem to be doing. I was doing a bit of thinking and whilst there have been a few fighters who seemed to have won world titles without winning the British (Bruno, Steve Robinson, Burns immediately spring to mind) and a few who have won the EBU title without winning anything other "proper" title (Foster Jnr, Matthew Hatton, Munroe). I'm just wondering who do you think is the best fighter who from the UK who never picked up either the British, EBU or world title. Commonwealth champions are eligable.

So some fighters who are elligable include the likes of Eamonn Magee, Brian Carr (one of the unluckiest boxers ever - given how close he ran several world class fighters).

Will leave it to the historians to give their verdict.

John Duddy

The Best fighter never to win the British title would have to be Naz, by a mile.

Best british fighter to not win any of those 3 belts is Michael Watson. Never even fought for a British or European title.

robpalmer135 wrote:Best british fighter to not win any of those 3 belts is Michael Watson. Never even fought for a British or European title.

Neither did Eubank or Benn.

Best fighter never to fight for or hold a Commonwealth title is possibly Mike McCallum, although he fought the reigning Commonwealth holder in Watson when defending his WBA title.

I can't be bothered to check here but when Lewis fought Ruddock for the WBC eliminator, the Commonwealth title was on the line there, oddly (I realise both were eligible).

orbtastic wrote:Neither did Benn and Eubank

Best fighter never to fight for or hold a Commonwealth title is possibly Mike McCallum, although he fought the reigning Commonwealth holder in Watson when defending his WBA title.

I can't be bothered to check here but when Lewis fought Ruddock for the WBC eliminator, the Commonwealth title was on the line there, oddly (I realise both were eligible).

I think when its an eliminator domestic titles can still be on the line. Rhodes vs Moore, Haye vs Fragomeni were for European titles and eliminators.

Benn and Eubank won world titles though. Watson never won any.

robpalmer135 wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Neither did Benn and Eubank

Best fighter never to fight for or hold a Commonwealth title is possibly Mike McCallum, although he fought the reigning Commonwealth holder in Watson when defending his WBA title.

I can't be bothered to check here but when Lewis fought Ruddock for the WBC eliminator, the Commonwealth title was on the line there, oddly (I realise both were eligible).

I think when its an eliminator domestic titles can still be on the line. Rhodes vs Moore, Haye vs Fragomeni were for European titles and eliminators.

Benn and Eubank won world titles though. Watson never won any.

Yeah but the thread is which boxers were good/did well but never really cleared up domestically.

No, its which is the best boxer to never pick up a British, EBU OR world title. In essence, best boxer who either didn't pick up anything of note or just won the Commonwealth title.... Michael Watson is a great call.

Benn & Eubank belong in your bracket with Bruno, Burns and Robinson et al.

orbtastic wrote:Benn & Eubank belong in your bracket with Bruno, Burns and Robinson et al.

I don't think you have understood the question mate.

Benn (WBC, WBO)
Eubank (WBO
Bruno (WBC)
Burns (WBO)
Robison (WBO)

all won world titles. Stu is asking for the best fighters to NEVER win any of the below;

World title (WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF)
European (EBU)
British (BBBofC)

orbtastic wrote:Benn & Eubank belong in your bracket with Bruno, Burns and Robinson et al.

Bruno was european champ.

bigjack wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Benn & Eubank belong in your bracket with Bruno, Burns and Robinson et al.

Bruno was european champ.

Did you read his opening post?

"there have been a few fighters who seemed to have won world titles without winning the British (Bruno, Steve Robinson, Burns immediately spring to mind)"

orbtastic wrote:

bigjack wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Benn & Eubank belong in your bracket with Bruno, Burns and Robinson et al.

Bruno was european champ.

Did you read his opening post?

"there have been a few fighters who seemed to have won world titles without winning the British (Bruno, Steve Robinson, Burns immediately spring to mind)"

but that wasn't the question

I'm just wondering who do you think is the best fighter who from the UK who never picked up either the British, EBU or world title. Commonwealth champions are eligable.

Billy Knight

robpalmer135 wrote:

orbtastic wrote:

bigjack wrote:

Bruno was european champ.

Did you read his opening post?

"there have been a few fighters who seemed to have won world titles without winning the British (Bruno, Steve Robinson, Burns immediately spring to mind)"

but that wasn't the question

I'm just wondering who do you think is the best fighter who from the UK who never picked up either the British, EBU or world title. Commonwealth champions are eligable.

So what?

His opening preamble mentions two sets of fighters that don't fall into the category of the question.

Is it a crime to add more to either?

It's a boxing discussion forum.

orbtastic wrote:

bigjack wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Benn & Eubank belong in your bracket with Bruno, Burns and Robinson et al.

Bruno was european champ.

Did you read his opening post?

"there have been a few fighters who seemed to have won world titles without winning the British (Bruno, Steve Robinson, Burns immediately spring to mind)"

Silly me i responded to the title at the top how very foolish of me.

How about Shea Neary? Only won a WBU title and a central area title. Got robbed of holding the commonwealth title.

I think he could have went alot further than he did and whatever you think of him he was surely good enough to hold British and EBU titles.

Tommy Farr never held anything other than the Welsh title.

An insanely difficult question

Throwing a name out there, what about Michael Sprott.

Edit: Remember he got that gift from Parris in the 3rd/4th fight with D williams for the British title

How about Jim Brady? Did win the Commonwealth belt but never even contested for the British title.

Had to fight the great Benny Lynch 4 times in his first 5 fights! (with Benny being vastly more experienced), all 12 rounders! earning a draw in one of them. Went on to defeat 2 legit world champs later in his career, Jackie Brown and Jackie Paterson. Gotta be a contender.

I always thought Rod Douglas was good for domestic titles till he ran into Herol on one of his best nights.
Tragic end to a promising career..

scott lawton is a good boxer and he hasnt won any major titles other than english national title

Who'd have thought Errol Christie wouldn't even pick up an area title when he turned pro.

Mick the Mechanic wrote:I always thought Rod Douglas was good for domestic titles till he ran into Herol on one of his best nights.
Tragic end to a promising career..

Very good fighter,like you say he boxed Graham when he was at the top of his game...does anyone know what Rod Douglas is up to now adays??

lefthook82 wrote:An insanely difficult question

Throwing a name out there, what about Michael Sprott.

Edit: Remember he got that gift from Parris in the 3rd/4th fight with D williams for the British title

Yeah it is a bit tricky, well its all about opinions. I thought originally Eamonn Magee, but the Michael Watson was a good call.

I did it almost as a response to the criticisms to the "Luckiest fighters" to win a British title. Lets big up the guys who were not so lucky. There must be lots of fighters, such as Magee, who gave World class fighters fits but never won anything of note himself (excluding his Commonwealth title).

Alot of the Light Middles that seemed on the fringes of big things never won a title excluding the Commonwealth and some International or dodgy world title - Richard Williams, Steve Foster, Takaloo, Khaliq.