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When he is at his best?

When he is a certain age?

At a certain weight class?

When he has reached certain amount of experience (for example, after certain amount of fights)?

It seems everyone I know defines a fighter’s prime differently.

For example, when was Ali Prime?

You can't ask for set paramaters which can be applied across the board.

Would you care to elaborate more on your reply? Do you mean to say there is no way to assess a fighter’s prime? In your own words how do you define a fighter’s prime? Choose your parameters. Or do you mean to say that every fighter has a different set of parameters.

Idisagree wrote:When he is at his best?

When he is a certain age?

At a certain weight class?

When he has reached certain amount of experience (for example, after certain amount of fights)?

It seems everyone I know defines a fighter’s prime differently.

For example, when was Ali Prime?

Its very subjective and differs from fighter to fighter. Tyson had a relatively short prime, he was only 23 when he lost to Douglas and was never the same fighter again. People argue that Ali's missed the best of years of his career when he was in his 2.5 year exile from the sport. I tend to agree. He missed some of his best years in physical terms (aged 25-28). I personally think Ali was at his best up to 1971/1972, which makes Frazier's win over him even more impressive.

fighter's prime differ from each other.. but definitely my top-3 factors would be..
- Age (mid-twenty's is at best)
- hunger/passion (the attitude to achieve glory is still there)
- wear & tear (no injuries & less brutal fights encountered)

When I was a kid, I read in Ring Magazine and a few other places that a heavyweight's prime was 28 - 31 years old. I know that's not true now, but I think it was kind of true then.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:You can't ask for set paramaters which can be applied across the board.

Agree, GI, but we can make some generalisations...perhaps not water-tight but give us an idea.

I believe:

- Bigger fighters (Heavyweights) tend to mature later and maintain their peak for longer than the guys in the lower weight divisions.

- Fighters are mostly best at their lower weight (Pernell and Duran were at their peak at 135, Mike Spinks at 175, Azumah nelson at 126, etc...)

An average athlete will hit physical peak at 25-28 but extra experience, and psychological maturity, tend to make the definitive peak at around the 30 mark.

It varies according to the individual. Between 24 and 34

tanibanana wrote:fighter's prime differ from each other.. but definitely my top-3 factors would be..
- Age (mid-twenty's is at best)
- hunger/passion (the attitude to achieve glory is still there)
- wear & tear (no injuries & less brutal fights encountered)

I would agree with those things and would add experience. Some guys get a late start so they don't reach their prime until a little bit later.

As for chronological age, I would say 25-30 as a rule of thumb. Usually after 30 a fighter will start to slow down gradually. By 35 there is usually a very noticeable difference from when he was 30.
Fighters in the lower weight classes usually peak a little sooner and are past it a little sooner.
Of course there are many notable exceptions.

Also the way someone fights has a lot to do with the longevity of their career. An all action, fast paced slugger will tend to burn out faster than someone who fights on the defensive and doesn't take many punches.

Controversial wrote:Also the way someone fights has a lot to do with the longevity of their career. An all action, fast paced slugger will tend to burn out faster than someone who fights on the defensive and doesn't take many punches.

Do you mean a swarmer, specifically when you say, "slugger?" Often, a true slugger will last a long time, on account of power being the last thing to go. These guys usually dish out beatings & don't take a whole lot.

The swarmer, though he may slug offensively, absorbs much punishment &, of course, is worn down quickly. In-between would be the boxer-mover, who doesn't typically take a lot of damage, but at the same time is dependent on reflexes & speed, which desert him some time before the slugger's power.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Controversial wrote:Also the way someone fights has a lot to do with the longevity of their career. An all action, fast paced slugger will tend to burn out faster than someone who fights on the defensive and doesn't take many punches.

Do you mean a swarmer, specifically when you say, "slugger?" Often, a true slugger will last a long time, on account of power being the last thing to go. These guys usually dish out beatings & don't take a whole lot.

The swarmer, though he may slug offensively, absorbs much punishment &, of course, is worn down quickly. In-between would be the boxer-mover, who doesn't typically take a lot of damage, but at the same time is dependent on reflexes & speed, which desert him some time before the slugger's power.

Guys who go toe to toe, dish a lot out but take a lot in return.

Not if they have an unusual amount of power. These men can end fights quickly, with little punishment endured.

Once you hit 30, you start to slow down...that is not only in boxing, but in everyday life too. At 30, you do not have the speed that you used to. Your reflexes falter a little bit, but some fighters at that age get to be smarter when they hit 30. They know at 30 their limitations and what they can do and not do.

elmersalsa wrote:Once you hit 30, you start to slow down...that is not only in boxing, but in everyday life too. At 30, you do not have the speed that you used to. Your reflexes falter a little bit, but some fighters at that age get to be smarter when they hit 30. They know at 30 their limitations and what they can do and not do.

That's a big key right there. Good examples include the Marquez brothers, who both have excelled past 30, specifically Juan Manuel, who despite getting hit more with age also has grown more accurate himself without much decline in handspeed but with an actual increase in KO's. He was more formidable at 130 and his early fights at 135 than he was at 126. Rafa too showed maximum effectiveness against Vazquez and still managed to hang in with a physically more capable youngster like Juan Manuel Lopez, who himself will likely move up one or two more classes at some point.