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Sounded alot like the klits promoters are trying to encourage Haye to fight someone else next so that saureland arent involved in the negotiations anyone else think that?

I think you're wrong about who come across how tho', Booth had your man in his pocket when it came to the TV money.

the [REMOVED] started waffling & didnt make sense when asked on german revenues.

haye & booth are being greedy imo. how many fighter's decline THE champion of the world to dispute there credible & should be level pegging because they defeated a giant bum.

diff promoters are rivals, thought thats obvious....

My take on what Bonte said regarding tv is;

Klitschko's are committed to RTL. If another German company tops the RTL offer it's unlikely to be more than £1M over what RTL would pay, if Haye and the Klitschko's are splitting 50/50 then they (Klits) would concede an extra £500,000 to the Haye camp to stay with RTL as £500,000 would be nothing compared to the total revenue of the fight.


Simples

I thought Booth was short sighted personally and the disrepesct he showed to Dererck Chisora was terrible.

He and his Boxer have juts performed the biggest heist in British Boxing history and criticise
Chisora.

Booth said he never said it would be a good fight. Rewind the interview after the Groves fight. "i'm sure it's going to be a cracking fight"

I'm sure he didn't go to Sky and say;

"David against Audley Harrison, gonna be a crap fight, but they made an agrtreemnt years ago at one of their pyjama parties that whoever wsins the world title would give the other one a shot. It''s like Rolf Harris' song 'Two Little Boys' you remember. Of course, Audley will dog it, that's what they agreed. I reckon Audley will even be 'prompted' to fall bang on cue and we can all make more money from betting on the round. Of course, there will be serious questions about the integrity of the fight around the globe afterwards to but so what, lets go PPV and make a fortune. We'll even make out they had a big fall out and hate each other with a passion other since some bullshit sparring session in Miami in 2006. Of course the fans wont remember them out drinking and clubbing together in Vegas in 2008 and me and David flying out to watch Audley cos that was on Setanta and they don't keep tapes of interviews do they do they, You Tube? what's that?

We'll call it the 'best of enimies' and even get young Eddie Hearn, who knows fornicate all about boxing but can seriously polish a turd, just like his dad as well you know, to brainwash the public into actually believing Audley can fight and is really a decendant of Sonny Liston.

Makes perfect sense doesn't it? Sell the public a dummy, totally discredit the sport, runin PPV but make a fortune in the process. Anything but one of those brothers from the Ukraine, they actually hit back, can't have that can we, remember Carl Thompson?

Now cut to the chase, how much do you want to pay for this shit fight or are you going to enforce your power and insist we fight a real heavyweight with credibility, like the brothers?"



"Okay Adam, we're in, now get off your knees, I have a meeting with Eddie Hearn about a new Heavyweight he's signed who's going to shock the world and is destined to be a world champion. Any idea who it is?"

boxingchat wrote:I thought Booth was short sighted personally and the disrepesct he showed to Dererck Chisora was terrible.

He and his Boxer have juts performed the biggest heist in British Boxing history and criticise
Chisora.

Booth said he never said it would be a good fight. Rewind the interview after the Groves fight. "i'm sure it's going to be a cracking fight"

I'm sure he didn't go to Sky and say;

"David against Audley Harrison, gonna be a crap fight, but they made an agrtreemnt years ago at one of their pyjama parties that whoever wsins the world title would give the other one a shot. It''s like Rolf Harris' song 'Two Little Boys' you remember. Of course, Audley will dog it, that's what they agreed. I reckon Audley will even be 'prompted' to fall bang on cue and we can all make more money from betting on the round. Of course, there will be serious questions about the integrity of the fight around the globe afterwards to but so what, lets go PPV and make a fortune. We'll even make out they had a big fall out and hate each other with a passion other since some bullshit sparring session in Miami in 2006. Of course the fans wont remember them out drinking and clubbing together in Vegas in 2008 and me and David flying out to watch Audley cos that was on Setanta and they don't keep tapes of interviews do they do they, You Tube? what's that?

We'll call it the 'best of enimies' and even get young Eddie Hearn, who knows eff all about boxing but can seriously polish a turd, just like his dad as well you know, to brainwash the public into actually believing Audley can fight and is really a decendant of Sonny Liston.

Makes perfect sense doesn't it? Sell the public a dummy, totally discredit the sport, runin PPV but make a fortune in the process. Anything but one of those brothers from the Ukraine, they actually hit back, can't have that can we, remember Carl Thompson?

Now cut to the chase, how much do you want to pay for this shit fight or are you going to enforce your power and insist we fight a real heavyweight with credibility, like the brothers?"



"Okay Adam, we're in, now get off your knees, I have a meeting with Eddie Hearn about a new Heavyweight he's signed who's going to shock the world and is destined to be a world champion. Any idea who it is?"

Christ, the hypocrisy!

any british promoter would have fallen over themselves to make Haye v Audley happen. They would ALL have known it was a terrific mistmatch, but would have laughed all the way to the bank, just as haye has. Such bitterness.

boxingchat wrote:I thought Booth was short sighted personally and the disrepesct he showed to Dererck Chisora was terrible.

He and his Boxer have juts performed the biggest heist in British Boxing history and criticise
Chisora.

Are you sure about that? There's been some pretty questionable PPV shows from other promoters in recent times. I can think of far worse.

In recent years there's been one decent PPV show and that one on paper, beforehand shouldn't have even been a PPV- the rest have been shit- or pretty standard viewing.

Jeff Thomas wrote:

boxingchat wrote:I thought Booth was short sighted personally and the disrepesct he showed to Dererck Chisora was terrible.

He and his Boxer have juts performed the biggest heist in British Boxing history and criticise
Chisora.

Are you sure about that? There's been some pretty questionable PPV shows from other promoters in recent times. I can think of far worse.

In recent years there's been one decent PPV show and that one on paper, beforehand shouldn't have even been a PPV- the rest have been shit- or pretty standard viewing.

Last Saturday was shit, one other live fight. Hayemaker when they stated promised competitve cards what happened?

robster wrote:My take on what Bonte said regarding tv is;

Klitschko's are committed to RTL. If another German company tops the RTL offer it's unlikely to be more than £1M over what RTL would pay, if Haye and the Klitschko's are splitting 50/50 then they (Klits) would concede an extra £500,000 to the Haye camp to stay with RTL as £500,000 would be nothing compared to the total revenue of the fight.


Simples

That's what I thought he meant. Looks like a fight will be made.

Was also very clear Haye/Booth don't want Vitali next

Looked like Booth was using German TV as an excuse not to fight.

leforge wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:

boxingchat wrote:I thought Booth was short sighted personally and the disrepesct he showed to Dererck Chisora was terrible.

He and his Boxer have juts performed the biggest heist in British Boxing history and criticise
Chisora.

Are you sure about that? There's been some pretty questionable PPV shows from other promoters in recent times. I can think of far worse.

In recent years there's been one decent PPV show and that one on paper, beforehand shouldn't have even been a PPV- the rest have been shit- or pretty standard viewing.

Last Saturday was shit, one other live fight. Hayemaker when they stated promised competitve cards what happened?

Granted, I didn't see the production - but in terms of the actual bill it wasn't too bad- do these promoters not understand that we want to see live fights- in their entirety- with suitable time taken to build them up and analyse. You had two class undercard fights there- i'd say Audley and Haye were given close to 5 hours of pre fight analysis and then the other two merrited barely 20 mins combined.

Personally, think the German TV money angle is a bit of a smokescreen. As Bonte said, even with a good offer to trump the current RTL deal, the two camps would most likely only go away with maybe an extra 500,000 dollars each — let's call it 1 million each and be positive about what another German network might pay. The real issue is more likely to be the Klitschkos getting 50% of the British PPV revenue, which could be 10 million POUNDS plus. Half a million to 1 million dollars is neither here nor there in comparison to that, so why split hairs over it, which is what Adam appeared to be doing. I understand his wanting to maximise revenue from the German TV side, but the Klitschkos are never going to be able to contribute as much to the TV pot as Haye will, because German TV has no PPV. Haye brings far more TV money to the table than the Klitschkos and he is used to getting the lion's share of his British PPV revenue and could, with some degree of justification, resent the Klitschkos crashing his party — after all, they've done their TV deal, he's done his, why should he be financially 'punished' because his is more lucrative than theirs? It's easy for the Klitschkos to say "50-50 on everything", that suits them fine here because they would earn much more than they usually do under those circumstances. Haye, though, could feasibly earn less for a Klitschko fight than he made for Valuev or Harrison, if he splits the British PPV 50-50. I'm not saying he would, but it's possible. It would be nice to think Haye would be so determined to get the fight on that he'd be willing to do it at any price, but I can understand his and Adam's viewpoint too.

My take on it was the Klitshkos manager wants
Haye v Vitali next fight and that it could easily be done even with the mandatorys, which booth was using as a reason.

Booth didn't seem to keen on it thoe,
they want Wlad 1st which is understandable

boxingchat wrote:He and his Boxer have juts performed the biggest heist in British Boxing history and criticise
Chisora..

...Makes perfect sense doesn't it? Sell the public a dummy, totally discredit the sport, runin PPV but make a fortune in the process. Anything but one of those brothers from the Ukraine, they actually hit back, can't have that can we, remember Carl Thompson?

Now cut to the chase, how much do you want to pay for this shit fight or are you going to enforce your power and insist we fight a real heavyweight with credibility, like the brothers?"

To be perfectly fair, alot of promoters have served up alot of tosh, as PPV, with not hype, just blatant lies.

Khan v Salita - Leaps to mind. A certain promoter quoting that Salita was a 'big puncher' and 'would give Khan a hard fight' Thats just one PPV event which was one of the most blatant mismatches and rip-offs in recent times.

So, to single out one and not another, although to a degree, with some justification, is not fair. There are other promoters, as said, that have and will continue to do their share of 'heisting' too.

gobbles wrote:Looked like Booth was using German TV as an excuse not to fight.

just shows how much money is the motivator.

we wanna maximise the revenue streams.

you'll be earning plenty out of it u greedy twat.

MachoMan09 wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:Personally, think the German TV money angle is a bit of a smokescreen. As Bonte said, even with a good offer to trump the current RTL deal, the two camps would most likely only go away with maybe an extra 500,000 dollars each — let's call it 1 million each and be positive about what another German network might pay. The real issue is more likely to be the Klitschkos getting 50% of the British PPV revenue, which could be 10 million POUNDS plus. Half a million to 1 million dollars is neither here nor there in comparison to that, so why split hairs over it, which is what Adam appeared to be doing. I understand his wanting to maximise revenue from the German TV side, but the Klitschkos are never going to be able to contribute as much to the TV pot as Haye will, because German TV has no PPV. Haye brings far more TV money to the table than the Klitschkos and he is used to getting the lion's share of his British PPV revenue and could, with some degree of justification, resent the Klitschkos crashing his party — after all, they've done their TV deal, he's done his, why should he be financially 'punished' because his is more lucrative than theirs? It's easy for the Klitschkos to say "50-50 on everything", that suits them fine here because they would earn much more than they usually do under those circumstances. Haye, though, could feasibly earn less for a Klitschko fight than he made for Valuev or Harrison, if he splits the British PPV 50-50. I'm not saying he would, but it's possible. It would be nice to think Haye would be so determined to get the fight on that he'd be willing to do it at any price, but I can understand his and Adam's viewpoint too.

Who is the bigger draw Stateside?

With HBO showing no interest in heavyweight boxing and with Haye pretty much an unknown quantity there, I'd say the Klitschkos are - which is not to say they're much of a draw, but at least the Ks are known to American fight fans because they've fought in the States. Haye doesn't mean anything in America. Despite this weird link with GBP, and GBP's strong link with HBO, GBP haven't even been able to get Haye on HBO. That tells you all you need to know about how much Haye means in the States.

Haye's very much a British thing. He probably means more in Germany than anywhere but here, just through association with the Klitschkos. But he doesn't matter at all in America. That's not to say American TV wouldn't buy a unification fight, I'd be surprised if they didn't. But I think it would be fair to say, as Macho infers, that to the world outside Britain, the Klitschkos are the world heavyweight champions.

MachoMan09 wrote:

King Geedorah wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:My viewpoint. In the Klitschkos' part of the world, Germany and Eastern Europe, Haye is just another bombastic, black heavyweight - no derogation in that, it's just the way it is. The Valuev win means little, they all know out there that Valuev wasn't up to much. Therefore, if neither Klitschko fought Haye, it wouldn't stain their legacy in the part of the world where they will spend their post-boxing lives. The same does not apply to Haye. If he sincerely intends to hang them up next year (the jury is still out), bowing out against Ruslan Chagaev and A.N Other won't cut it for the man himself, let alone the fans. Haye will have to buckle to make the fight(s); the Klitschkos are holding the trump cards.

Vitali's in a stronger position than the others two due to his loss to Lewis. Someone emailed me the other day pointing out that Vitali lost a 'controversial' fight to Lewis that should have gone down as a W on his record. Complete, total and utter bollocks and a sign that the person in question didn't have a jar of glue, but VK will push this particular turd hard when he retires, just sharing a link to The Last Great Heavy will work well for VK.

Mate, I have spend a good bit of time in various parts of Slav land and almost to a man they are of the opinion Vitali was hard done by in the Lewis fight. 'Hyedbut, vy no scorcats?'

then they are wrong.

MachoMan09 wrote:

King Geedorah wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:My viewpoint. In the Klitschkos' part of the world, Germany and Eastern Europe, Haye is just another bombastic, black heavyweight - no derogation in that, it's just the way it is. The Valuev win means little, they all know out there that Valuev wasn't up to much. Therefore, if neither Klitschko fought Haye, it wouldn't stain their legacy in the part of the world where they will spend their post-boxing lives. The same does not apply to Haye. If he sincerely intends to hang them up next year (the jury is still out), bowing out against Ruslan Chagaev and A.N Other won't cut it for the man himself, let alone the fans. Haye will have to buckle to make the fight(s); the Klitschkos are holding the trump cards.

Vitali's in a stronger position than the others two due to his loss to Lewis. Someone emailed me the other day pointing out that Vitali lost a 'controversial' fight to Lewis that should have gone down as a W on his record. Complete, total and utter bollocks and a sign that the person in question didn't have a jar of glue, but VK will push this particular turd hard when he retires, just sharing a link to The Last Great Heavy will work well for VK.

Mate, I have spend a good bit of time in various parts of Slav land and almost to a man they are of the opinion Vitali was hard done by in the Lewis fight. 'Hyedbut, vy no scorcats?'

cos unless Lenn could put his head on the end of his gloves it wasnt a headbutt.

Its simple really. Haye simply has to make a fight with of them now. The time is over for mandatories and cash-making bouts like the last one, fans patience is beginning to run out.

Haye promised us all he would have two fights at heavy (not counting the Bonin bout) then fight a Klit. He called out the Klits and made a name for himself to generate a huge amount of hype for the fight. So far he has fought Barret, Valuev, Ruiz and Harrison........ and pulled out of negotiations with Vitali and pulled out of a fight with Wlad. The fans that have paid to see him live or on TV, not to mention the ones left out of pocket from the Wlad pull out deserve Haye to go and make the fight happen. He has told everyone he cares about legacy etc. and wants to go down alongside Lewis in the record books - well now is his chance and if he does let a few million prevent the bouts from happening then he will have lost all the respect he has gained throughout his career.