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I don't mean is anyone predicting it, because I can't imagine anyone is, but can anyone at least even visualise/postulate a scenario or strategy in which Chisora could win?

Some people gave Briggs and Harrison a chance in their title shots almost solely based on power, but Chisora isn't a huge hittter. Sure, Wlad has been down in the past, but he's a vastly improved operator now, and let's face it, Chisora is no Sanders, Brewster or Peter in the power stakes. I also don't see Wlad's stamina as an issue anymore, so the Puritty/Brewster blueprint is no longer valid.

Then, of course, there appears no way Chisora can outbox the guy. He's a lot smaller and a lot less experienced, both as a pro and an amateur. There doesn't appear to be any chance of age playing a part, either, as Wlad is "only" 34 and in the form of his life.

The only possible weapon Chisora has is speed, but the numbing shots he'll have to take from very early on will likely sap that.

So, any strategists out there that can see ANY way for Chisora to win, even if its the absolute slimmest hope?

He doesn't look the part as he is a bit doughy but he has good footwork and fast hands. He has as much chance as anyone else (ie: Not much) these days. He hits harder than it seems from outside the ring. When he connects - it doesn't seem to have that explosive power but it looks like his punches do some damage. If he lands enough punches on Wladimir and he can take it to the later rounds then it will be interesting to see what happens. Whatever happens - Chisora will go down fighting.

I'd say in most instances, the longer a Klitschko fight goes, the less chance the opponent has of winning. I can see your logic, but the opponents have to soak up so much punishment just to get to the later stages, that by the time they get there, they are spent - either physically, or psychologically, or - in most cases - both.

No I can't.

Jon Saxon wrote:No I can't.

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"A congenital heart defect has apparently felled Klitschko moments before he could step into the ring."

I have a feeling old Del Boy will at least have a go, unlike most of them...I can't see him winning, but he may have his moments in the first round or two before he's overcome physically..

He comes across, or at least he did pre-Sexton, as an arrogant git and maybe that will work in his favour, at least for a short spell.

PS By that I mean he won't go in there with a negative attitude, he will believe he can win this, unlike the majority of the K brother opponents in recent years....

Datsue wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:No I can't.

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As soon as wlad decides to unleash it's game over. To be honest i don't even think i can bring my self to watch it.

Chisora ticks all the boxes for me:

He is fast, intelligent, compact, has a high workrate, is physically strong and punches hard enough to break opponents down. He also very calm and confident and listens to his trainer. He can box well on the outside and inside and can turn it on at any point in a fight. He is a brilliant finisher.

I think Klitschko will struggle to catch him cleanly and find himself getting cuffed around when he tries to clinch. Wladimir has had to many cakewalks and will struggle when drawn into a real fight. He will also have trouble adjusting to Chisora's right hook coming in round the side of his guard. Klitschko has a fragile chin and marks up very easily.

My only worry is he has a slight craziness about him which could cause him to do something silly and get slung out, but I expect a cool, disciplined display.

I fully expect a Chisora stoppage in seven or eight rounds.

Nobby

Johnny Nelson and Eddie Hearn probably could!

Brave call Nobbby-nobbins..
i have been too brain-washed with the whole K-brothers total heavyweight dominance to foresee Del boy producing anthing to seriously trouble him.
I really hope i'm wrong ...again.

It's funny how so many people thought Harrison could beat Haye and think Haye can beat the Klits yet a young hungry talented boxer in a weak division has no chance of even having a chance. I beg to differ, of course I don't think he will actually win but I do think he has the attributes to win.

I think if he throws his punches and gets out of there which in my opinion he's quick enough to do he can give Wlad some trouble. If he can take a shot then it gives him hope. Lets not forget that most of the fighters that have given Wlad trouble in the past are small but chunky boxers who carry with them a bit of speed and footwork and the fact that he's only had a few fights might work in favour being more fresh and not knowing what it's like to be hurt or lose. There has been heavyweight world champions that have had less fights and in more competitive times so there is my case for him having an outside chance. There has been so many heavyweight shocks that you can never discount anything.

I just think it'll take a bit of a special fighter to beat the Klitschkos, like Haye. Chisora is workmanlike and I think has potential and as long as he isn't allowed to get bashed up, this could be a really good learning fight. I don't think he'll do it though. Too inexperienced and hasn't faced anyone remotely as good as Klitschko really. I mean, from struggling against Sexton to beating Wladimir.... big big ask.

Only way I see it is if Wladmir takes his eye off the ball and doesn't apply himself, but can't see Emanuel Steward allowing that, not with Haye on the horizon next year. He'll want to make a statement and goad Haye by beatins Chisora up.

ourkid1984 wrote:It's funny how so many people thought Harrison could beat Haye and think Haye can beat the Klits yet a young hungry talented boxer in a weak division has no chance of even having a chance. I beg to differ, of course I don't think he will actually win but I do think he has the attributes to win.

I think if he throws his punches and gets out of there which in my opinion he's quick enough to do he can give Wlad some trouble. If he can take a shot then it gives him hope. Lets not forget that most of the fighters that have given Wlad trouble in the past are small but chunky boxers who carry with them a bit of speed and footwork and the fact that he's only had a few fights might work in favour being more fresh and not knowing what it's like to be hurt or lose. There has been heavyweight world champions that have had less fights and in more competitive times so there is my case for him having an outside chance. There has been so many heavyweight shocks that you can never discount anything.

Sanders is 6'4", Purritty is at least 6'3". Both considerably taller than Del Boy.

I don't think he actually believes he can win deep down. I do think though, he has the intention of giving a good account of himself unlike most the of the other challengers.

[quote="Datsue
Sanders is 6'4", Purritty is at least 6'3". Both considerably taller than Del Boy.[/quote]

Brewster was about 6'2" which is approximately Chisora's height (listed as 187 cms against Sexton). Chisora obviously doesn't have Klitschko's height but he is certainly not a small heavy. He has a very thick neck (useful for absorbing punches) , huge chest and massive hands and feet. I saw him in training last week and there was nothing podgy about him either.

I really believe that the strategies Klitschko uses to keep opponents at bay won't work against Chisora. You will be surprised by the sheer strength of Chisora next month. Think about it: Chisora bullied Sexton on the inside in their fight. Sexton is hardly a world beater but he showed himself to be strong enough to push off Rogan. Rogan obviously lacks skill and speed but his physical strength is surely undeniable.

Chisora is going to murder Klitschko on the inside as long as the ref allows him to work. If the ref breaks them as soon as Chisora starts to work inside then Klitschko could steal the fight.

Nobby

Chisora will not be allowed to bully on the inside though in Wlad's back garden. Also, Wlad's a much stronger, more seasoned guy than the version who got knocked out a few years ago. He's alot stronger. Sam Peter's a bull and he pushed him around to be honest, unlike in their first fight where he struggled.

Chisora will have a go, but don't think it'll be anywhere good enough.

Sam Peter's got a thick neck and only thing it helped him do was take a longer beating.

Chisora's only chance is to go in all guns blazing and catch Wlad cold. Other than that he's in for a bit of a shellacking, as you'd expect from a 14 fight novice stepping up a few levels. If Sam Sexton can catch him and push him, well I don't need go into the details.

nobby_nobbins wrote:
Brewster was about 6'2" which is approximately Chisora's height (listed as 187 cms against Sexton). Chisora obviously doesn't have Klitschko's height but he is certainly not a small heavy. He has a very thick neck (useful for absorbing punches) , huge chest and massive hands and feet. I saw him in training last week and there was nothing podgy about him either.

I really believe that the strategies Klitschko uses to keep opponents at bay won't work against Chisora. You will be surprised by the sheer strength of Chisora next month. Think about it: Chisora bullied Sexton on the inside in their fight. Sexton is hardly a world beater but he showed himself to be strong enough to push off Rogan. Rogan obviously lacks skill and speed but his physical strength is surely undeniable.

Chisora is going to murder Klitschko on the inside as long as the ref allows him to work. If the ref breaks them as soon as Chisora starts to work inside then Klitschko could steal the fight.

Nobby

Nobby mate, nice idea but have you ever seen a Klit fight in Germany where the ref allows work on the inside? I bloody haven't.

As soon as Chisora gets within five feet of Wlad, Dr. Octopus (er, I mean, Steelhammer) will be all over him like a rent-boy trying to sniff the last bit of popper from a mark's special secret place. You need to either match the sod for height & reach & be able to get to him from range or be quick enough to get in & out & not get cuddled (paging David Haye). Eighteen stone of Ukrainian hanging off your neck in the patented Manny Steward Deathgrip is enough to tire anyone out, I don't care how strong they are. It's like a sleeper hold.

Plus, Lamon Brewster got the ever-living shite kicked out of him for four rounds until Klitschko gassed & started eating left hooks. Klit no longer throws at that pace (indeed, barely at all) & I guarantee you he won't be laying into Chisora throwing seventy shots a round like he did that night. I would be genuinely surprised if Chisora could take the kind of shots that Lamon did that night, & frankly for his long-term health & well-being would not like to see him do so.

Datsue wrote:

ourkid1984 wrote:It's funny how so many people thought Harrison could beat Haye and think Haye can beat the Klits yet a young hungry talented boxer in a weak division has no chance of even having a chance. I beg to differ, of course I don't think he will actually win but I do think he has the attributes to win.

I think if he throws his punches and gets out of there which in my opinion he's quick enough to do he can give Wlad some trouble. If he can take a shot then it gives him hope. Lets not forget that most of the fighters that have given Wlad trouble in the past are small but chunky boxers who carry with them a bit of speed and footwork and the fact that he's only had a few fights might work in favour being more fresh and not knowing what it's like to be hurt or lose. There has been heavyweight world champions that have had less fights and in more competitive times so there is my case for him having an outside chance. There has been so many heavyweight shocks that you can never discount anything.

Sanders is 6'4", Purritty is at least 6'3". Both considerably taller than Del Boy.

Brewster is 6'2" and according to Boxrec that's just half an inch taller than Chisora and Samuel Peter who is very similar to Chisora gave Wlad loads of problems (1st time around) and didn't Chagev have success before he retired?

ourkid1984 wrote:
Brewster is 6'2" and according to Boxrec that's just half an inch taller than Chisora and Samuel Peter who is very similar to Chisora gave Wlad loads of problems (1st time around) and didn't Chagev have success before he retired?

We must've watched a different fight, 'cos I didn't see Chagaev land a single punch.

Though I nearly died of boredom so he might've got in a jab to the midsection whilst I was lapsing into catatonia.

Datsue wrote:

ourkid1984 wrote:
Brewster is 6'2" and according to Boxrec that's just half an inch taller than Chisora and Samuel Peter who is very similar to Chisora gave Wlad loads of problems (1st time around) and didn't Chagev have success before he retired?

We must've watched a different fight, 'cos I didn't see Chagaev land a single punch.

Though I nearly died of boredom so he might've got in a jab to the midsection whilst I was lapsing into catatonia.

Thats why I asked the question rather than stating it. I know Chagev has done well against some tall strong heavyweight but couldn't remember who and I wasn't on about Valuev because he's no heavyweight he's a bear!

Datsue wrote: Nobby mate, nice idea but have you ever seen a Klit fight in Germany where the ref allows work on the inside? I bloody haven't.

As soon as Chisora gets within five feet of Wlad, Dr. Octopus (er, I mean, Steelhammer) will be all over him like a rent-boy trying to sniff the last bit of popper from a mark's special secret place. You need to either match the sod for height & reach & be able to get to him from range or be quick enough to get in & out & not get cuddled (paging David Haye). Eighteen stone of Ukrainian hanging off your neck in the patented Manny Steward Deathgrip is enough to tire anyone out, I don't care how strong they are. It's like a sleeper hold.

Plus, Lamon Brewster got the ever-living shite kicked out of him for four rounds until Klitschko gassed & started eating left hooks. Klit no longer throws at that pace (indeed, barely at all) & I guarantee you he won't be laying into Chisora throwing seventy shots a round like he did that night. I would be genuinely surprised if Chisora could take the kind of shots that Lamon did that night, & frankly for his long-term health & well-being would not like to see him do so.

Nice post and I take your point! I'm just optimistic that Chisora can prise off one of those tenticles or land something hurtful just as Wlad attempts to clinch - although we seem to agree that the ref could make this a bit tricky. I don't think Chisora will have to land too much to change the direction of the fight. To hit Wlad is to hurt him.

ourkid1984 wrote: Thats why I asked the question rather than stating it. I know Chagev has done well against some tall strong heavyweight but couldn't remember who and I wasn't on about Valuev because he's no heavyweight he's a bear!

I think you must be referring to Kali Meehan, the giant Kiwi who is shite on a stick. As I said, Chagaev got done by Klitschko. Whitewashed.

nobby_nobbins wrote: Nice post and I take your point! I'm just optimistic that Chisora can prise off one of those tenticles or land something hurtful just as Wlad attempts to clinch - although we seem to agree that the ref could make this a bit tricky. I don't think Chisora will have to land too much to change the direction of the fight. To hit Wlad is to hurt him.

Oh I'd love love love it were he to land one & Wlad ended up on his face. But I just think the odds are quite high, is all. Styles making fights & all that.