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Putting together his fighting career and career as a trainer does Archie have the best combined legacy?

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hurlock wrote:my uncle bob was D

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By the way, Buzz does the humour here.

answer is..........Yes.

He was the only man to fight Ali and Marciano, just though I'd throw that in there, as it was a pub quiz question.

BoxBuzz wrote:answer is..........Yes.

Agree.

BoxBuzz wrote:answer is..........Yes.

Which one? Uncle Bob or Archie Moore?

There are some other guys who were pretty involved with boxing after they retired as boxers.

Floyd Patterson was a trainer, Associate Editor for Boxing Illustrated, and was the Commisioner of the New York
Athletic Commission.

Jack Dempsey was a contributor to Ring Magazine, was a promoter, referee, judge, and a cornerman.

Emile Griffith trained several fighters.

Ruby Goldstein was a very accomplished fighter and a top referee for many years.

Just wanted to mention Jack Blackburn who must be up there.

Poncey wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:answer is..........Yes.

Which one? Uncle Bob or Archie Moore?

Poncey, we must never underestimate Uncle Bob.....however in this case I was referring to the Mongoose.

I can't imagine anyone did more for boxing over his lifetime than Jack Dempsey.

uncle bob was a bloody good bloke :!:

he wasnt like other uncles, i felt safe with him.

Archie Moore, a GREAT man...we used to keep in touch frequently from 1983 on to his death...beautiful person...

I would say yes.

I wonder how much stock you put into fighting vs. training vs. other boxing careers? Is it all equal or is being a great fighter most important? Otherwise what about guys who were just OK fighters but were great trainers? Promoters? I am not the best boxing historian by any means, but I am sure someone here can think of a c-class fighter who had a decent career but who was a great trainer for a long time?

Yea, I think a good/great trainer needs to understand boxing and needs to understand BOXERS AND they need to be able to transfer that understanding and knowledge to the fighters at the most important times...many great boxers dont have all those abilities/qualities...

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY wrote:Yea, I think a good/great trainer needs to understand boxing and needs to understand BOXERS AND they need to be able to transfer that understanding and knowledge to the fighters at the most important times...many great boxers dont have all those abilities/qualities...

Anyone come to mind? I am not saying Freddie Roach belongs in the conversation AT ALL, but I am just using him as an example. That type of fighter. Decent fight career but a long outstanding training career.

I think he is overrated in the Ring. But I don't think anyone has made more of a contribution to the sport than Jack Dempsey. He took the whole thing on his back and made it huge.

Jack Johnson & Joe Louis deserve mention, but the real racial breakthroughs weren't until later.