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Bute vs Magee-----March 19

Posted: 15 Dec 2010, 23:16
by crusader
According to Dan Rafael, there is a decent chance Brian Magee will be Bute's opponent in the first fight of his new Showtime contract. Steve Kim of maxboxing.com has also mentioned Magee as Bute's next opponent.

From: http://twitter.com/danrafaelespn
Lucian Bute's next fight, the first on his new deal with Showtime @ShoSports, is supposed to be March 19. Possible opponent: Brian Magee.

Thoughts? If the fight goes ahead, does Magee have a good shot? Will he give Bute a tough night, or will Bute outclass another opponent?

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 02:52
by marcianofan
Ew I hope this isn't made, or Bute might not be ranked in the top 2 after the Super Six...the losing finalist will probably surpass him in terms of resume. I know a lot of the top guys are out of the picture, but this guy is like #21 in my opinion (unproven prospects excluded). Bute should try to fight a Stieglitz or Bika He makes the Brinkley mismatch look like an ideal match-up, at least from an accomplishment perspective. I've never seen Magee fight to know how he actually stacks up in terms of ability, but I can say with certainty that his record leaves him wholly undeserving of the shot at this time.

If I got to pick his next opponent from among the available choices within the division, my choices in order would be Stieglitz, Sartison, and Bika.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 04:06
by Newport Daz
Bute's already beaten Bika. With all the decent guys tied up in the Super 6 i'm not sure who else there is. Dirrel is obviously fit and well but obviously can't make his miraculous recovery until the S6 is finished. I'm not sure if Brian should take it though, I reckon he'll be offered peanuts and doesn't really have a chance, especially in Bute's home town. I think he's better off going for the WBA, he's got a much better chance of winning and the pay will probably be better.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 09:29
by Ted
marcianofan wrote:Ew I hope this isn't made, or Bute might not be ranked in the top 2 after the Super Six...the losing finalist will probably surpass him in terms of resume. I know a lot of the top guys are out of the picture, but this guy is like #21 in my opinion (unproven prospects excluded). Bute should try to fight a Stieglitz or Bika He makes the Brinkley mismatch look like an ideal match-up, at least from an accomplishment perspective. I've never seen Magee fight to know how he actually stacks up in terms of ability, but I can say with certainty that his record leaves him wholly undeserving of the shot at this time.

If I got to pick his next opponent from among the available choices within the division, my choices in order would be Stieglitz, Sartison, and Bika.

erm hes the europen SMW holder and WBA no1 challenger for sartisons belt who........wont fight him.


i'd say hes every right to fight bute.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 09:33
by dohboy
Can't see this happening. Magee was offered Bute last summer in Romania and it was turned down. Mageee is the mandatory cahllenger for Sartison's WBA belt and that has to be contested by the end of January so this is the most likely scenario, but then again with this game you just never know

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 09:41
by Ted
dohboy wrote:Can't see this happening. Magee was offered Bute last summer in Romania and it was turned down. Mageee is the mandatory cahllenger for Sartison's WBA belt and that has to be contested by the end of January so this is the most likely scenario, but then again with this game you just never know
see above.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 09:42
by Ted

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 10:21
by JC
Good luck to Magee, I think Bute will stop him at this stage.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 11:12
by Ted
Magee is up against this for sure, just like he was in Demark against Larson.

BUT,
to judge Magee prior to his change of trainer is making a HUGE mistake. His new trainer has brought out his potential, and although i still favour Bute in his home town - you just never know with Magee.

He will certainly put on a performance against the NO1 in the division, and if this guy has an off night - you just never know.

Good luck brian.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 12:12
by whiskey
I'm happy for Magee for getting a big fight and hopefully decent money.

Good pro and a nice guy. He will rightly be the underdog - but is miles ahead of Jesse Brinkley.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 12:24
by alexpaterson
Good luck to Brian Magee but Bute seems to be getting better with every fight, he's a superb boxer with a decent dig on him. I can't see how Magee will win, hope I'm wrong but I'm saying Bute inside 7

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 13:38
by IRLangmaid25
Boxrec has Brian Magee at 15, with Ring Magazine has him at 10 in the latest edition.

As for the soups.
WBC has him at 2
IBF has him at 8
WBO has him at 13

And as he is the European Champion he has deserved his shot and has got the class and experience to give Lucian Bute a few problems, but I think Bute will take it either on a late stoppage or points.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 15:04
by marcianofan
IRLangmaid25 wrote:Boxrec has Brian Magee at 15, with Ring Magazine has him at 10 in the latest edition.

As for the soups.
WBC has him at 2
IBF has him at 8
WBO has him at 13

And as he is the European Champion he has deserved his shot and has got the class and experience to give Lucian Bute a few problems, but I think Bute will take it either on a late stoppage or points.
I believe the Ring removed him after Johnson debuted. But seriously- am I missing something? Who has the guy beat at 168 in the last 5 years? Mads Larsen. That's it. That's the only significant win he has. He did some business in the early 2000s, but can we really count that? I mean if that stuff hasn't expired, Hasim Rahman is probably still a top 5 heavyweight because he KO'd Lennox Lewis way back when. And Evander Holyfield...wow.

I have nothing against Magee, but how anyone (even the alphabets) can rank him top 15 right now is beyond me.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 15:56
by glahn
G0mez wrote:I'm happy for Magee for getting a big fight and hopefully decent money.

Good pro and a nice guy. He will rightly be the underdog - but is miles ahead of Jesse Brinkley.

Agree with this. Magee deserves the shot, and given the options available right now he is probably the most credible opponent for Bute. I definitely favour the Romanian, but would make Magee a live underdog. It will be very hard for him away from home though.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 17:22
by IRLangmaid25
marcianofan wrote:
IRLangmaid25 wrote:Boxrec has Brian Magee at 15, with Ring Magazine has him at 10 in the latest edition.

As for the soups.
WBC has him at 2
IBF has him at 8
WBO has him at 13

And as he is the European Champion he has deserved his shot and has got the class and experience to give Lucian Bute a few problems, but I think Bute will take it either on a late stoppage or points.
I believe the Ring removed him after Johnson debuted. But seriously- am I missing something? Who has the guy beat at 168 in the last 5 years? Mads Larsen. That's it. That's the only significant win he has. He did some business in the early 2000s, but can we really count that? I mean if that stuff hasn't expired, Hasim Rahman is probably still a top 5 heavyweight because he KO'd Lennox Lewis way back when. And Evander Holyfield...wow.

I have nothing against Magee, but how anyone (even the alphabets) can rank him top 15 right now is beyond me.
I have rechecked the Ring ratings you are right, following the Carl Froch-Arthur Abraham and Andre Ward and Sakio Bika clashes they have been major shake ups and he has dropped out of the top 10 with Glen Johnson at 9 and Abraham at 10 therefore forcing at Brian Magee out of the top 10.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 17:31
by ALI
I always liked Magee, he's a good boxer and was doing well against Froch up to a point. However, Bute is certain to stop him IMO........ not a good fight for Magee!

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 17:33
by lefty
magee is a decent fighter but bute is on another level to him!I see magee getting knocked out.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 19:27
by yiddo14
Good luck to him.

Can we stop referring to Bute as the number 1 in the division by the way? I don't even have him in the top 3. He hasn't beat one elite level fighter yet. Ward, Kessler, Froch and even Dirrell have. Simples

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 19:53
by whiskey
marcianofan wrote:
I have nothing against Magee, but how anyone (even the alphabets) can rank him top 15 right now is beyond me.
If that shower of sh*t Jesse Brinkley is passed off as a contender to a world title, along with William Joppy and so forth - then being completely honest Magee is a monster step up in class !

How the hell Bute gets away with fighting such a crock year in, year out and get so many plaudits I'll never know.

He went life and death with Andrade and if it wasn't for Marlon B Wright, he'd have a stoppage defeat on his slate.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 19:55
by The_Don1
I'd rather see Magee challenge Bute for the IBF title than see him take on the 2nd division WBA 'champion' Andre Ward is the WBA champion (not the super champion that status should only be given to WBA belt holders who hold another version of the title of which he does not) so I applaude Magee for taking this, he's the EBU champ and has every right to take on a world champion at this stage, best of luck to him.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 16 Dec 2010, 23:43
by marcianofan
G0mez wrote:
marcianofan wrote:
I have nothing against Magee, but how anyone (even the alphabets) can rank him top 15 right now is beyond me.
If that shower of sh*t Jesse Brinkley is passed off as a contender to a world title, along with William Joppy and so forth - then being completely honest Magee is a monster step up in class !

How the hell Bute gets away with fighting such a crock year in, year out and get so many plaudits I'll never know.

He went life and death with Andrade and if it wasn't for Marlon B Wright, he'd have a stoppage defeat on his slate.
Well Brinkley beat Curtis Stevens at least, which with all due respect is more impressive than Mads Larsen. And I guess I agree with statements above to the effect that Bute hasn't beaten any elite fighters, though he's beaten at least a couple top 10 guys that maybe fall short of that level- but at the same time he's consistently beaten the 2nd tier guys to the point where the sheer volume overwhelms you. I think you could make a case for rating Froch, Kessler, and maybe Dirrell ahead of him, but I still call him #2 though.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 17 Dec 2010, 08:56
by bennie
Belfast's Brian Magee finally gets a world title chance when he challenges Canada's Lucian Bute for the IBF super-middleweight title in Montreal on March 19.
In 2005, Magee lost a WBO title shot at Joe Calzaghe in horrid circumstances, politically, when the fight was called off with just a day to go, perversely on St Patrick's Day. A year later, he looked out of the running when Carl Froch overwhelmed him in 11 rounds but Magee kept plugging away and really shook up the European boxing scene earlier this year against Denmark's Mads Larsen in Denmark.
Normally a clever if unspectacular southpaw, Magee destroyed Larsen in seven rounds with body shots and looked just as aggressive against Germany's Roman Aramian last time out, hammering him in eight one-sided rounds. The upshot is this trip to Canada for 35-year-old Brian.
To Bute, a slick, quick, sharp-hitting southpaw who has toyed with recent opposition and enjoys huge support in his home city of Montreal. Yes, Magee proved he could travel against Larsen, but Bute is an altogether different proposition, close to his peak at 30, with a perfect record of 27-0 (22). The only real blip in Bute's career to date came against California's Librado Andrade in 2008 but that blip is firmly behind him now. Bute despatched Andrade in four rounds in a rematch last year.
Ironically, Bute fights very much like Calzaghe did, throwing punches in bunches and proving hard to tag. He ran out of steam in the 12th and last round against Andrade in Montreal and was put down, after which the referee saved him, which only goes to show how difficult it will be for Magee to get a result. If Brian can go 11 rounds with the strong, rugged Froch, he can take Bute the full 12 rounds. However, Bute takes the points.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 17 Dec 2010, 19:12
by lefty
bennie wrote:Belfast's Brian Magee finally gets a world title chance when he challenges Canada's Lucian Bute for the IBF super-middleweight title in Montreal on March 19.
In 2005, Magee lost a WBO title shot at Joe Calzaghe in horrid circumstances, politically, when the fight was called off with just a day to go, perversely on St Patrick's Day. A year later, he looked out of the running when Carl Froch overwhelmed him in 11 rounds but Magee kept plugging away and really shook up the European boxing scene earlier this year against Denmark's Mads Larsen in Denmark.
Normally a clever if unspectacular southpaw, Magee destroyed Larsen in seven rounds with body shots and looked just as aggressive against Germany's Roman Aramian last time out, hammering him in eight one-sided rounds. The upshot is this trip to Canada for 35-year-old Brian.
To Bute, a slick, quick, sharp-hitting southpaw who has toyed with recent opposition and enjoys huge support in his home city of Montreal. Yes, Magee proved he could travel against Larsen, but Bute is an altogether different proposition, close to his peak at 30, with a perfect record of 27-0 (22). The only real blip in Bute's career to date came against California's Librado Andrade in 2008 but that blip is firmly behind him now. Bute despatched Andrade in four rounds in a rematch last year.
Ironically, Bute fights very much like Calzaghe did, throwing punches in bunches and proving hard to tag. He ran out of steam in the 12th and last round against Andrade in Montreal and was put down, after which the referee saved him, which only goes to show how difficult it will be for Magee to get a result. If Brian can go 11 rounds with the strong, rugged Froch, he can take Bute the full 12 rounds. However, Bute takes the points.
Bute is slicker than froch though and probably hits just as hard.

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 17 Dec 2010, 19:19
by hurlock
count on magee to go all out & leave it all in the ring. there is no shame in the froch fight he got caught with a corker.bute has been well managed & is a talent & i think magee will test how good he is.he must understand he's a massive underdog & i wonder how that will effect him??? will he still be confident??

Re: Bute vs Magee looks possible for March 19

Posted: 17 Dec 2010, 20:34
by Crease
Magee is fvcking with the wrong Champion here. He is well positioned for a world title shot, but he should be aiming for the WBA title against Sartisan, which I eblieve he would stand a decent chance of winning.

Magee has done well in recent years, he has earned a world title shot, but he shouldn't throw it away fighting Bute. Because Bute will kill him!

This is a shame, Magee could have been a world champion, but after he losses this fight he will be out of the world title scene.

This is bad management, why would you give your fighter a fight that you know he will lose?
I just can't work that one out, yes it's a big payday, but why would you throw away years of hard work getting to where he is today?