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Thinking of having a big bet on Rigondeaux at 1.5 with Sporting Bet. I figure that Rigondeaux will be too classy and the odds represent good value. Thoughts?

I've never seen Casey but I think he would have to be pretty awesome to win. Rigondeaux hasn't yet shown us the best of what he can do. I think he might suffer from motivation issues, but he's just so good.

Asterix wrote:I've never seen Casey but I think he would have to be pretty awesome to win. Rigondeaux hasn't yet shown us the best of what he can do. I think he might suffer from motivation issues, but he's just so good.

motivation issues is always going to be a problem for world class amateurs, but casey might be so up for it that it makes rigondeaux show his best, also everyone whos fought rigondeaux has looked scared, casey wont be, could be interesting but theres only one winner and his not irish...

I'm a bit surprised with the odds to be honest. I thought Casey would be a bigger underdog.

Are U serious Rigo should be at least a 6 to 1 favorite.

I would jump all over these odds but I would hedge the over I think Casey will be competive though

Asterix wrote:I've never seen Casey but I think he would have to be pretty awesome to win. Rigondeaux hasn't yet shown us the best of what he can do. I think he might suffer from motivation issues, but he's just so good.

A nice youtube showing some highlights from Willie's fights and Rigondeaux's fights. Willie doesn't have the speed of Rigondeaux which will be the difference unfortunately. On the other side Rigondeaux will never have experienced a crowd like the one which awaits him in Dublin, 7000 fanatical Irish/Limerick fans who will want Rigo crushed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df89NlS8 ... re=related

Bit the bullet and stuck a grand on. The price has now moved to 1.44.

FeargalóCuinneagáin wrote:

Asterix wrote:I've never seen Casey but I think he would have to be pretty awesome to win. Rigondeaux hasn't yet shown us the best of what he can do. I think he might suffer from motivation issues, but he's just so good.

A nice youtube showing some highlights from Willie's fights and Rigondeaux's fights. Willie doesn't have the speed of Rigondeaux which will be the difference unfortunately. On the other side Rigondeaux will never have experienced a crowd like the one which awaits him in Dublin, 7000 fanatical Irish/Limerick fans who will want Rigo crushed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df89NlS8 ... re=related

Thanks. I don't think Rigondeaux will have a problem with Casey.

I'm not convinced by Rigondeaux personally.

There seems to be a case of 'emperor's new clothes' surrounding him, with everyone talking about his supreme talent and greatness.

I see a lot of similarities with Andre Dirrell. He's extremely amateur-orientated. He is overly economical and defensive and a gritty 'warrior' type who can pour some pressure could take him I reckon.

He wasn't that great against Cordoba. And the scoring was very odd, with one judge giving him practically everything - and yet Raul Caiz gave it to Cordoba by a couple of rounds, obviously unimpressed with the negative, 1-2 then slip to the side approach by Rigo.

He does have some special ability, but he not a massive dangerman in my book.

I'm not convinced Casey is the man to take out Rigo, but he is in the mould of the fighter that actually could you know.

Therefore, I'd keep my money in my pocket for this one.

G0mez wrote:I'm not convinced by Rigondeaux personally.

There seems to be a case of 'emperor's new clothes' surrounding him, with everyone talking about his supreme talent and greatness.

I see a lot of similarities with Andre Dirrell. He's extremely amateur-orientated. He is overly economical and defensive and a gritty 'warrior' type who can pour some pressure could take him I reckon.

He wasn't that great against Cordoba. And the scoring was very odd, with one judge giving him practically everything - and yet Raul Caiz gave it to Cordoba by a couple of rounds, obviously unimpressed with the negative, 1-2 then slip to the side approach by Rigo.

He does have some special ability, but he not a massive dangerman in my book.

I'm not convinced Casey is the man to take out Rigo, but he is in the mould of the fighter that actually could you know.

Therefore, I'd keep my money in my pocket for this one.

I understand what you're saying. Rigondeaux doesn't have those mental frailties that Dirrell has, though, which has been Dirrell's problem so far.

Casey, from that highlight video, punches far too wide. I can't see that boxer getting anywhere near beating Rigondeaux.

Asterix wrote: I understand what you're saying. Rigondeaux doesn't have those mental frailties that Dirrell has, though, which has been Dirrell's problem so far.

Casey, from that highlight video, punches far too wide. I can't see that boxer getting anywhere near beating Rigondeaux.

Your probably right there Asterix.

Also I think (and could be wrong) that Rigo won the worlds in Belfast already, so I think he's been here before. Im sure he was listed along with Haye and Froch on the medal lists. Unless that was another guy with same surname.

So I doubt he will be fazed by a vociferous crowd. He's won at the worlds everywhere in recent years which have included Thailand, Russia etc so is well travelled indeed.


But I wouldn't be lumping a few K on a bookies for it though.

G0mez wrote:

Asterix wrote: I understand what you're saying. Rigondeaux doesn't have those mental frailties that Dirrell has, though, which has been Dirrell's problem so far.

Casey, from that highlight video, punches far too wide. I can't see that boxer getting anywhere near beating Rigondeaux.

Your probably right there Asterix.

Also I think (and could be wrong) that Rigo won the worlds in Belfast already, so I think he's been here before. Im sure he was listed along with Haye and Froch on the medal lists. Unless that was another guy with same surname.

So I doubt he will be fazed by a vociferous crowd. He's won at the worlds everywhere in recent years which have included Thailand, Russia etc so is well travelled indeed.


But I wouldn't be lumping a few K on a bookies for it though.

No you're right, Gomez - he won Gold in Belfast in 2001. However, there is a massive difference fighting amateur in a country compared to a pro fight against a hometown boy.

Anyway, I don't think hometown crowds spook travelling boxers as much as people like to think. Fair enough it will probably spur a hometown fighter on but it would take a boxer who lacks in mental attributes to be fazed by a crowd. Considering where he comes from, what he has achieved and age I don't think Rigo lacks in the mental department.

G0mez wrote:I'm not convinced by Rigondeaux personally.

There seems to be a case of 'emperor's new clothes' surrounding him, with everyone talking about his supreme talent and greatness.

I see a lot of similarities with Andre Dirrell. He's extremely amateur-orientated. He is overly economical and defensive and a gritty 'warrior' type who can pour some pressure could take him I reckon.

He wasn't that great against Cordoba. And the scoring was very odd, with one judge giving him practically everything - and yet Raul Caiz gave it to Cordoba by a couple of rounds, obviously unimpressed with the negative, 1-2 then slip to the side approach by Rigo.

He does have some special ability, but he not a massive dangerman in my book.

I'm not convinced Casey is the man to take out Rigo, but he is in the mould of the fighter that actually could you know.

Therefore, I'd keep my money in my pocket for this one.

If having Similarities with Dirrell is Rigo's biggest problem,he will be fine.Froch and Abraham were both "gritty 'warrior' types".neither who had a clue what to do with Dirrell!
Good luck to Casey,but he is essentially a limited brawler.Rigo is bound to be amateurish,but just won a "World" title after 7 fights!

Deno1986 wrote:I'm a bit surprised with the odds to be honest. I thought Casey would be a bigger underdog.

Ditto.

I'd lump on it at 1.5.

Rigo is superior in every 'tangible' department

Rigondeaux is obvious class but he had over 400 amateur bouts; many of those against top level boxers. The only other boxer I can remember having over 400 amateur bouts was Donald Curry. Pretty much by the time he got to the top as a pro, he'd burnt out. Rigo has been making weight for many, many years; Casey has nowhere near the skill or experience but he is strong, enthusiastic and has plenty of heart. I think that though Willie ought to be a long shot he does have a shot. Rigo will not find making the weight as easy in Ireland in March as he does in the sunny climate he is used to.

Got to be honest if you had asked me about this fight after watching Casey beat Wale in Prizefighter, I would have laughed at the possibility of it going past three rounds.

However, Casey has improved for me, still does the same things wrong but he is progressing as you would expect him to with his limited experience.

Still Rigondeaux is/was a superstar, probably the best Amateur I have seen and impressive as a pro but for me he looked like a man who is now distinctly beatable in his last fight against Cordoba
in fact he lost on one of the cards if memory serves.

I personally would think that Casey would have every chance at home against Cordoba and the gulf between Rigo and the Panamanian was not that great, certainly on the cards at least, so
why would Casey not have every chance here.

We have probably all learnt by now that the old saying "Class will always out" does not always follow and Casey's swarming style whilst giving the Cuban every chance to land his impressive arsenal will also be wearing the Cuban out from the half way stage if Willie is still around.

Rigondeaux slowed alarmingly for me late on and was happy to pick a few shots a round to try and maintain his lead last time and whilst there is no guarantee it gets there I would struggle to see him winning a round after the ninth in Ireland against a marauding Casey who if nothing else will throw 70 punches a round minimum.

I find myself in the strange position of actually thinking Casey can win this and I must confess to loving allthings Rigondeaux.

Amatuers is alot different to the pro's. Rigondeaux has only 7 pro fights and the last one against Cordoba he lost IMO which shows he is beatable, id fancy a bet on Casey

I don't think Rigo's tough fight with Cordoba presages the same difficulties against Casey. Cordoba is a much tighter boxer and three inches taller than Casey. Casey punches wide and telegraphed, and comes across as one-dimensional to me. I think that will work into the hands of someone with Rigo's boxing skills. I also think that Cordoba is a significantly better fighter than Casey. Cordoba has defeated Caballero and just barely lost to Poonsawat. Casey's best win was over Hyland.

I also thought Rigo clearly beat Cordoba. Cordoba couldn't lay a glove on him in most rounds. Cordoba also has loads of pro experience and had been 12 many times. Casey, on the other hand, is even less experienced than Rigo as a pro. He may have more fights, but he has never been past eight, and never been in with a world class fighter.