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Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 10:38
by ThatOne
I don't see this going very well for Kid Dynamite. I think Big George dispacthes him with the same ease he dispacthed Ken Norton and Joe Frazier.
It wouldn't be pretty.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 10:50
by Syntax Error
I'm not so sure about that.
Tyson had one hell of a chin & couple that with his head movement & speed, he would have made Foreman work for his money.
Foreman was much slower & often used wide arching & looping punches that Tyson would have been able to easily counter.
Neither fighter was blessed with the greatest stamina, but both had great chins.
Foreman wins when it comes to physical strength (is he the strongest HW champ of all-time?) & heart though.
I would tip Foreman to win, but he'd probably have to get off the floor to do it & I doubt it would have been as easy as his wins over Frazier & Norton.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 11:05
by ThatOne
Syntax Error wrote:I'm not so sure about that.
Tyson had one hell of a chin & couple that with his head movement & speed, he would have made Foreman work for his money.
Foreman was much slower & often used wide arching & looping punches that Tyson would have been able to easily counter.
Neither fighter was blessed with the greatest stamina, but both had great chins.
Foreman wins when it comes to physical strength (is he the strongest HW champ of all-time?) & heart though.
I would tip Foreman to win, but he'd probably have to get off the floor to do it & I doubt it would have been as easy as his wins over Frazier & Norton.
Tyson was giving away a foot in reach and given Big George's propensity to just shove his opponent whenever he tried to get inside I just don't see things going well for Tyson.
It's cliched but styles make fights and Foreman's style is all wrong for Mike Tyson.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 11:09
by Goodnight, Irene
Not being facetious, but I genuinely see it this way --- it's Foreman by massacre. He'd absolutely ruin Tyson mentally after the beating he'd put on him.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 11:14
by ThatOne
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Not being facetious, but I genuinely see it this way --- it's Foreman by massacre. He'd absolutely ruin Tyson mentally after the beating he'd put on him.
Out of all the ATGs George Foreman is the one I see dispatching Mike Tyson the most convincingly.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 15:51
by gilgamesh
I agree that Foreman would get the better of Tyson, but it'd be a hell of a lot of fun.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 16:18
by ThatOne
gilgamesh wrote:I agree that Foreman would get the better of Tyson, but it'd be a hell of a lot of fun.
For the five minutes or so while it lasted. I don't care how fast you are you are not taking the fight to Prime Goeorge Foreman and live to talk about it.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 16:32
by BoxBuzz
Nice to see this going so lopsidedly correct.
It has the potential to play out a bit like another Frazier fight. However I believe that Frazier at his best would likely do better than Tyson in his prime vs George.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 21:21
by Goodnight, Irene
BarryWashington wrote:Again, if both fighters met peak-for-peak it would have to be at the end of Mike's mythological career (for these match-ups); it would be a fight that Mike (mentally) would never be able to recover from.
Hell, he didn't even recover from
Douglas. Imagine the carnage Foreman would wreak on Tyson's psyche.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 22:42
by allworld80
Goodnight, Irene wrote:BarryWashington wrote:Again, if both fighters met peak-for-peak it would have to be at the end of Mike's mythological career (for these match-ups); it would be a fight that Mike (mentally) would never be able to recover from.
Hell, he didn't even recover from
Douglas. Imagine the carnage Foreman would wreak on Tyson's psyche.
Hard to say though isn't it? A couple of wins over Ruddock (who wasn't
that bad) and then off to prison. I think that's what did him in more than anything.
That being said, I don't believe he would have beaten Holyfield even if they had fought in '91. Or Lewis if they had fought sooner.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 22:47
by Goodnight, Irene
What I'm saying is he never got his career going again after that loss. No excuses --- he fvcked it royally. It's more than fair to say he never recovered from losing to Douglas.
Foreman would have ruined him too badly for words.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 22:56
by allworld80
Goodnight, Irene wrote:What I'm saying is he never got his career going again after that loss. No excuses --- he fvcked it royally. It's more than fair to say he never recovered from losing to Douglas.
Foreman would have ruined him too badly for words.
How can we summise that Douglas ruined him when he didn't have another meaningful fight for 5 1/2 years (Holyfield I), 4 of those spent in prison where by all accounts he wasn't training? He may have been working out but there's no way he was training boxing properly.
We'll have to disagree on that point. Foreman beating him is somthing we can agree on though.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 22:59
by Goodnight, Irene
Meh. I don't agree. He lost to Douglas & never recovered his best form. Now that, is a fact. I think it's pretty meaningless to get into this or that mitigating factor. From what we did see, he fought Ruddock & looked less than his former self.
Since there is nothing else prior to 1996, what more do you want? I see you're saying, "He might've recovered if he hadn't gone to prison," I get that --- but the fact is he never was the same in the ring after Douglas. That's a fact.
Can't judge the man on what might've been.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 08 Jan 2011, 23:09
by allworld80
I actually never said he might've recovered if he hadn't gone to prison. What I said is we don't know, which we don't. If the Holyfield fight had come off in 91 or soon there after, he probably loses anyway but I wouldn't neccesarily chalk that up to Douglas "ruining" him. Evander beats him 10 times out of 10, no matter when they fought.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 09 Jan 2011, 08:40
by ThatOne
Conventional wisdom is usually correct. That's why they call it conventional wisdom and the conventional wisdom that Mike Tyson was your classic bully who folded at the first sight of adversity was correct.
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 09 Jan 2011, 21:50
by boxerbob
well im going against the grain...i think tyson win by ko
foreman wasnt the fastest and i see mike taking a toring foreman out in 7 rounds
tysons speed kills
Re: Mike Tyson Circa 1988 Versus George Foreman Circa 1973
Posted: 09 Jan 2011, 22:14
by ThatOne
boxerbob wrote:well im going against the grain...i think tyson win by ko
foreman wasnt the fastest and i see mike taking a toring foreman out in 7 rounds
tysons speed kills
How does he get within within Big George's one foot reach advantage and half foot height advantage without getting decapitated?