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Who in your view is the greatest Mexican/American fighter of all-time?

I'm going with De La Hoya.

Ortiz, hands down. Other than Canizalez I seen all fight live.....

I gotta go with the great Manuel Ortiz... A very underrated fighter. Made about 16 title defenses in first reign, something like that, for a period of 5 years and then regained the bantam crown from Harold Dade in 1947. Are there videos of this great fighter?

elmersalsa wrote:I gotta go with the great Manuel Ortiz... A very underrated fighter. Made about 16 title defenses in first reign, something like that, for a period of 5 years and then regained the bantam crown from Harold Dade in 1947. Are there videos of this great fighter?

One or two on Youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NziOfM_Abow

Here is Luis Castillo 3, there are others on the side.

kikibalt wrote:Ortiz, hands down. Other than Canizalez I seen all fight live.....

Agreed. One of the top two bantams of all-time.

Ortiz, I think. Canizales was no slouch, either.

Genero Hernandez deserves a mention.

Ortiz is somewhat of an obvious #1 with Canizales being the other guy with a serious argument. When you look at what De La Hoya did in terms of weight jumping it's pretty impressive though. He has a glittering record.

I think Michael Carbajal deserves a mention as well though, his prime didn't last long thanks to getting his face shredded on a constant basis but he was a tough and exciting little guy and the way he ended his career by knocking the crap out of the young version of the granite chinned Jorge Arce is very impressive.

De La Hoya, for me.

Level of opposition ( he fought everyone who is anyone) across different weight divsions.

A refreshing attitude, fighting the best available, without fear or obstacles,

Lost some, won more. Top fighter in my eyes. Certainly deserves more recognition than his comtemporaries.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Ortiz is somewhat of an obvious #1 with Canizales being the other guy with a serious argument. When you look at what De La Hoya did in terms of weight jumping it's pretty impressive though. He has a glittering record.

I think Michael Carbajal deserves a mention as well though, his prime didn't last long thanks to getting his face shredded on a constant basis but he was a tough and exciting little guy and the way he ended his career by knocking the crap out of the young version of the granite chinned Jorge Arce is very impressive.

Nice call on Carbajal. Agreed that Ortiz is the clear #1 here. But I have to say that Oscar is definitively above Canizales imo. Orlando is a tad overrated these days. In fact he fits perfectly in that other thread. Very talented fighter, opposition was too thin to rate over Oscar. I'd put Michael ahead of him too.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Ortiz is somewhat of an obvious #1 with Canizales being the other guy with a serious argument. When you look at what De La Hoya did in terms of weight jumping it's pretty impressive though. He has a glittering record.

I think Michael Carbajal deserves a mention as well though, his prime didn't last long thanks to getting his face shredded on a constant basis but he was a tough and exciting little guy and the way he ended his career by knocking the crap out of the young version of the granite chinned Jorge Arce is very impressive.

Somewhat overlooked, but I always wonder if Carbajal's lifestyle didn't have some impact on his short prime as well. "Food," for thought, at any rate. Carbajal could really pack it on, & went through hell to make Flyweight.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Ortiz is somewhat of an obvious #1 with Canizales being the other guy with a serious argument. When you look at what De La Hoya did in terms of weight jumping it's pretty impressive though. He has a glittering record.

I think Michael Carbajal deserves a mention as well though, his prime didn't last long thanks to getting his face shredded on a constant basis but he was a tough and exciting little guy and the way he ended his career by knocking the crap out of the young version of the granite chinned Jorge Arce is very impressive.

Somewhat overlooked, but I always wonder if Carbajal's lifestyle didn't have some impact on his short prime as well. "Food," for thought, at any rate. Carbajal could really pack it on, & went through hell to make Flyweight.

Possibly. He didn't drain much, as shown where he was just 112 against Matlala on fight night, so almost all of his weight loss was straight up fat, which makes it more dramatic considering he was about 5'5".

I forgot to put Michael Carbajal. My favorite chicano fighter was Bobby Chacon...What a warrior