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Should it be harder to get a license. Not the medical side the boxing side with amature exp also if u loose to many times for it to be taken off you. What u guys fink to save the sport then the fans carnt say he's fighting bums?

I'm not sure the sport could survive if you lost your license for losing too often. I think if they pass medicals then they should be allowed. But clearly you shouldn't just be able to fight elsewhere if one commission declares you unfit to fight, but without a universal governing body that wont change.

Taking football to be a professional aint it more prestige, they should be a divide some how

canonball1234 wrote:Taking football to be a professional aint it more prestige, they should be a divide some how

Well, you will probably only be able to be a full time boxer if you are good enough, in the same way as football. So the ones that don't meet the standard are probably more comparable to semi-professional footballers. Records can be manipulated anyway by the opponents you face, you could give even bad boxers a winning record if that was the prequisite to becoming a professional.

i dont think the sport is spoilt for choice cannonball.& several world champions were shite amateur's. jonny nelson,duke mckenzie etc.
& foremost it's a buisness first a sport second.

hurlock wrote:i dont think the sport is spoilt for choice cannonball.& several world champions were shite amateur's. jonny nelson,duke mckenzie etc.
& foremost it's a buisness first a sport second.

Thats the main point i was thinking of too when i began reading the thread , i dont think its the fighters that are the problem , its the promotors , they could license absoloutely anyone that passes a medical if they regulated the matchmaking more closely , maybe something like only being able to box someone within so many ranking places of you , such as someone ranked 125th being not allowed to box anyone ranked lower than 225th and no higher than 25th , still will be the odd missmatch but not as many , and more fees could be generated by allowing more fighters to box , it would kill white collar so not as good for someone like myself (im a white collar promotor) but if it was for the good of the sport id be up for it , in fact in that situation maybe it would also be made easier for me to turn pro too

No boxing needs the likes of Delroy Spencer and Matt Scriven. They don't win a lot but they teach up and comers a few things and take them rounds! Prospects need rounds and experience and they get that from fighting journeyman.

Scottrf wrote:

canonball1234 wrote:Taking football to be a professional aint it more prestige, they should be a divide some how

Well, you will probably only be able to be a full time boxer if you are good enough, in the same way as football. So the ones that don't meet the standard are probably more comparable to semi-professional footballers. Records can be manipulated anyway by the opponents you face, you could give even bad boxers a winning record if that was the prequisite to becoming a professional.

Arent there tests or something where you have to compete in front of the bbbc or something?Im sure ive read that.

alexpaterson wrote:No boxing needs the likes of Delroy Spencer and Matt Scriven. They don't win a lot but they teach up and comers a few things and take them rounds! Prospects need rounds and experience and they get that from fighting journeyman.

You have to worry for these fellas brains in the long run though

lefty wrote:

alexpaterson wrote:No boxing needs the likes of Delroy Spencer and Matt Scriven. They don't win a lot but they teach up and comers a few things and take them rounds! Prospects need rounds and experience and they get that from fighting journeyman.

You have to worry for these fellas brains in the long run though

Some of the journeymen I have seen have very good defensive skills and they know how to protect themselves.

Deno1986 wrote:

lefty wrote:

alexpaterson wrote:No boxing needs the likes of Delroy Spencer and Matt Scriven. They don't win a lot but they teach up and comers a few things and take them rounds! Prospects need rounds and experience and they get that from fighting journeyman.

You have to worry for these fellas brains in the long run though

Some of the journeymen I have seen have very good defensive skills and they know how to protect themselves.

true but they're still on the receiving end more often that not.

Over the last 3 years I've been the busiest fighter around. I only have on paper 3 wins but many will tell you I have deserved the nod many times. When boxing a home ticket seller the ref can be less inclined to give it my way with my record. I give many a good fighter plenty to think about . Rarely take to many clean shots & I think offer much to the game. For the board to take my licence would be wrong imo! If I start getting knocked out & hurt I would need no prompting to walk away. I love this sport & my job. Being a top journeyman

johnnygreaves wrote:Over the last 3 years I've been the busiest fighter around. I only have on paper 3 wins but many will tell you I have deserved the nod many times. When boxing a home ticket seller the ref can be less inclined to give it my way with my record. I give many a good fighter plenty to think about . Rarely take to many clean shots & I think offer much to the game. For the board to take my licence would be wrong imo! If I start getting knocked out & hurt I would need no prompting to walk away. I love this sport & my job. Being a top journeyman

well i think it should be judged on an individual basis,like you said you're a guy who pretty much always tests these prospects but some guys are purely just punch bags in all honesty!

Yes absolutely, someone posted that you should pull a licence after losing a certain number, that's what I disagree with. You have to judge on an individual basis .

johnnygreaves wrote:Yes absolutely, someone posted that you should pull a licence after losing a certain number, that's what I disagree with. You have to judge on an individual basis .

Well as we know records are deceiving ie you have some prospect who's 20-0 but has fought aload of stiffs or guys like yourself who dont have great records on paper but have been in with alot of the top prospects at one stage or another.

if a boxer wants to fight and dosent mind if he wins or loses, then no one has the right to take that from him. Only medical reasons could you tell a boxer to quit or lose a license.. Boxings a job, a business win or lose, We fight because we love fighting. simple.

Vendetta wrote:if a boxer wants to fight and dosent mind if he wins or loses, then no one has the right to take that from him. Only medical reasons could you tell a boxer to quit or lose a license.. Boxings a job, a business win or lose, We fight because we love fighting. simple.

Yeah but its also to do with the paying public,noone pays to watch somebody who's completely useless fight

The board are pretty good at stopping bad boxers from these shores from turning pro, but i think they need to be watchful on some of these imports that have graced our shores recently.

And its all to do with matching guys at the right level, look at Alex Spitko, he can give any young prospect a good fight , and pulls out a win now and again. But i wasn't happy to see him in with Grzegorz Proksa 20-0 15 KO's, it was a level above what he can be competitive at.

Do sort of agree with vendetta. I hold my own & for the board to revoke my licence coz I lose is sort of stopping me making a living for my family. I may list but don't get knocked about. When I do I'll walk without prompting.

Johnny, how many of your fights do you think you should of won, but the verdict goes against you?

Don't know mate, a lot have been real close, some have been an absolute piss take. Think I could have 15 20 wins .

johnnygreaves wrote:Don't know mate, a lot have been real close, some have been an absolute piss take. Think I could have 15 20 wins .

Does that not annoy the life out of you? Knowing you should of won but the judges taking it away?

Well I suppose I'm too laid back , to be honest in the fights like that , if I know I won my opponent does too! If in my mind I know I won that's enough for me. I never turd over to be a champ. I know how our game works & while its putting good on the table for my family, I can live with it!