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1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Amir Khan
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (4.) Nathan Cleverly
5. (5.) Ricky Burns
6. (6.) Rendall Munroe
7. (7.) Matthew Macklin
8. (8.) John Murray
9. (9.) Ryan Rhodes
10. (10.) Jamie McDonnell

11. (19.) Jason Booth
12. (11.) Matthew Hatton
13. (12.) Kell Brook
14. (13.) Brian Magee (Irish)
15. (14.) Paul McCloskey (Irish)
16. (15.) John Simpson
17. (16.) Kevin Mitchell
18. (18.) Darren Barker
19. (21.) Gavin Rees
20. (RE.) Craig Watson

21. (22.) James DeGale
22. (23.) Danny McIntosh
23. (NE.) Ashley Theophane
24. (NE.) Anthony Crolla
25. (24.) Willie Casey (Irish)
26. (25.) Stuart Hall
27. (20.) Stephen Foster
28. (26.) Martin Lindsay (Irish)
29. (27.) Andy Lee (Irish)
30. (28.) Dereck Chisora

Out - (17.) Junior Witter
Out - (29.) Stephen Smith
Out - (30.) Ola Afolabi

Any comments, criticisms or P4P lists are very welcome.

How is andy lee in but no craig mcewan? both similar records apart from craig being undefeated and beating vera who done lee?

1. Froch 2. Khan 3. Haye 4. Burns 5. Cleverly
6. Munroe 7. Hatton 8. Macklin 9. Rhodes 10. Murray
11. Barker 12. McDonnell 13. DeGale 14. Brook 15. Simpson

Would probably be my top 15, very similar.

Should Mcintosh not be higher after winning the euro strap?

Solid list Horse.

Got to say though - not sure why Kell Brook is so high.

His best win is Jennings and yet we have British, Commonwealth and Euro champs below him.

funtime wrote:Should Mcintosh not be higher after winning the euro strap?

Think your right only having the one lost to No4 on your list aint No disgrace, just winning the Euro Title and not on Home Soil.....

I'd find it pedantic, pinickity, and purile to move anybody about on this p4p list. Spot on for me.

Dan Dares wrote:I'd find it pedantic, pinickity, and purile to move anybody about on this p4p list. Spot on for me.

You got Martin Lindsay who got beat by John Simpson who Stephen Smith beat but Smith out and Lindsay still in

yeah fair enough - i thought i saw smith in there.

Dan Dares wrote:yeah fair enough - i thought i saw smith in there.

You saw Smith's name as he has been kicked out! I presume its for inactivity even though Horse sometimes leaves Boxers in for a lot longer than the six months its been since Smith boxed.Smith is undefeated and holds a win over John Simpson in his last bout,enough said.

mickey1975 wrote:

Dan Dares wrote:yeah fair enough - i thought i saw smith in there.

You saw Smith's name as he has been kicked out! I presume its for inactivity even though Horse sometimes leaves Boxers in for a lot longer than the six months its been since Smith boxed.Smith is undefeated and holds a win over John Simpson in his last bout,enough said.

well if its for in-activity what the hell is kevin mitchell doing in there???

Horse's vendetta against the Smith family is laughable

bigped wrote:How is andy lee in but no craig mcewan? both similar records apart from craig being undefeated and beating vera who done lee?

I think Lee's record is better than McEwan's which is why Lee has managed to enter the rankings in the low positions and McEwan hasn't. McEwan is close to a place in the rankings, if he had beaten another of the type of opponents he was fighting then he would have probably entered.

Lee and McEwan fight each other this month, if McEwan wins then he will be very likely to enter the rankings next month.

Scottrf wrote:1. Froch 2. Khan 3. Haye 4. Burns 5. Cleverly
6. Munroe 7. Hatton 8. Macklin 9. Rhodes 10. Murray
11. Barker 12. McDonnell 13. DeGale 14. Brook 15. Simpson

Would probably be my top 15, very similar.

The only major difference is the inclusion of DeGale in the top 15. Good list.

Horse wrote:The only major difference is the inclusion of DeGale in the top 15. Good list.

I agree he's not really up there in terms of the level he's fighting at, but his talent gave him a few places. Just depends how you balance the criteria you use really.

Horse wrote:

bigped wrote:How is andy lee in but no craig mcewan? both similar records apart from craig being undefeated and beating vera who done lee?

I think Lee's record is better than McEwan's which is why Lee has managed to enter the rankings in the low positions and McEwan hasn't. McEwan is close to a place in the rankings, if he had beaten another of the type of opponents he was fighting then he would have probably entered.

Lee and McEwan fight each other this month, if McEwan wins then he will be very likely to enter the rankings next month.

Why would beating a 29th place Lee be worthy of inclusion but not a 15th place Simpson?

funtime wrote:Should Mcintosh not be higher after winning the euro strap?

The European title seems to have been devalued in recent times. I used to try to give a new European champion a top 20 place in the rankings, but I no longer give European champions such an automatically high ranking.

McIntosh has beaten some decent fighters like Karl, Oakey, Barney & Spartacus. However he beat Oakey, Barney & Spartacus when they were coming towards the end of their careers, and he was behind against Karl and looking a bit rubbish before knocking him out, so I didn't think he deserved to enter the rankings too highly.

No Frankie Gavin? Jesus wept...

G0mez wrote:Solid list Horse.

Thank you.

G0mez wrote:Got to say though - not sure why Kell Brook is so high.

His best win is Jennings and yet we have British, Commonwealth and Euro champs below him.

McIntyre is arguably his best win, but that was in November 2008.

I think Brook is a bit too high in my rankings, if he doesn't get a good win soon then he will be falling down the rankings fairly rapidly as there are a lot of good fighters below him in the rankings.

Londonirish wrote:

funtime wrote:Should Mcintosh not be higher after winning the euro strap?

Think your right only having the one lost to No4 on your list aint No disgrace, just winning the Euro Title and not on Home Soil.....

Karl wasn't the reigning champion and I don't think Karl can really be considered to be much better than domestic class.

Dan Dares wrote:I'd find it pedantic, pinickity, and purile to move anybody about on this p4p list. Spot on for me.

Thank you.

I aint quite sure what a split decision win over Jamie Arthur, who wasn't in your 30 (and I'm assuming not that close to being in your 30) - warrants an 8 place jump for Booth.

Londonirish wrote:You got Martin Lindsay who got beat by John Simpson who Stephen Smith beat but Smith out and Lindsay still in

Lindsay has a much better overall record than Smith.

mickey1975 wrote:

Dan Dares wrote:yeah fair enough - i thought i saw smith in there.

You saw Smith's name as he has been kicked out! I presume its for inactivity even though Horse sometimes leaves Boxers in for a lot longer than the six months its been since Smith boxed.Smith is undefeated and holds a win over John Simpson in his last bout,enough said.

The boxers that stay in a lot longer than 6 months are those that have achieved a fair bit, so they have high rankings. Smith never had a very high ranking, so he fell out of the rankings after only 5 months of inactivity.