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Sulaiman goes ballistic at Hopkins-Joppy sidebet

Posted: 16 Dec 2003, 13:04
by bennie
WBC President Jose Sulaiman has condemned the bet between William Joppy and Bernard Hopkins as a matter of grave concern due to the health risk it created.
Joppy took a savage beating in a lopsided fight, and his appearance after 12 rounds was reminiscent to Joe Frazier after his third and final fight with Muhammad Ali, a fight which finished both men.
Sulaiman believes the Hopkins-Joppy match should have been stopped at the end of the 10th round, and also stressed:
"If I had known about this bet before the fight, I would have immediately contacted both fighters and told them this was a very dangerous gamble, and we just could not accept it. There have been bets in the history of boxing between fighters winning or losing - but not lasting. This is not good for boxing.
"It was very unwise as far as I'm concerned, because Joppy decided to continue fighting and put his health at risk. In these sort of circumstances a fighter can go over the limits of human endurance.
"Whoever was in charge of the boxing commission, did not strictly follow the WBC rules, which are very clear in regards to a fight that is absolutely one-sided, with one fighter getting hurt dangerously, the fight should be stopped.
"In my opinion that fight should have been stopped at the end of the 10th round. At this point, there was no way Joppy could win the fight on points. He was losing by a mountain of points, and he did not have the power to knock out Hopkins."
Perhaps the most famous example of a similar type of bet was done by Jack Dempsey, egged on by his wily manager Jack "Doc" Kearns. Challenger Jack bet his entire purse that he would KO Jess Willard in the first round for the world heavyweight title.
Six inches shorter and outweighed by more than sixty pounds, Dempsey had secured tempting odds of 10-1. Accordingly, on the 4th of July, 1919, in an open air ring in Toledo, Ohio, he tore into Willard, dropping him seven times in the first torrid three minutes. Although bleeding badly and groggy, Willard was able to survive the round - and survived until the end of the third round in fact. For his reputed purse of one hundred thousand dollars, Willard suffered a broken cheekbone in 12 places, a broken jaw in 13 places, had his nose and two of his ribs fractured, and lost eight of his teeth.
It was the worst beating any heavyweight champion has ever suffered.

Posted: 16 Dec 2003, 13:10
by knockout
gotta agree with him. i think the ref and the corner may well have stopped it if there wasnt $75k at stake for Joppy.

Posted: 16 Dec 2003, 13:12
by knockout artist
knockout wrote:gotta agree with him. i think the ref and the corner may well have stopped it if there wasnt $75k at stake for Joppy.
Everyone knew about this bet.

When has Suliaman been, a guest of Saddam Hussein in his 8ft x 6ft Palace?

Posted: 16 Dec 2003, 13:12
by Loynesy
Two responses on this Bennie.

A more serious one of yes, it does raise some ethical questions, for example did the referee whether overtly or sub-conciously have this in mind when he allowed rounds 10,11 and 12: clearly it was the factor that made Joppy carry on. Counter this with the right to do what you like: if two consenting adults decide to have a wager why should anyone stop them - I lean toward the latter.

Second response: how the f--k did Sulamain NOT know there was such a bet on, its been mentioned on every website/fight preview and was being talked about openly at the fight - where he was, as usual at ringside.

The man is a disgrace.

Posted: 16 Dec 2003, 13:14
by Loynesy
Knockout Artist - great minds think alike.... :D

Posted: 16 Dec 2003, 13:39
by knockout
maybe he was pissed off he couldnt get in on the action.... 2-1 odds were quite appealing :wink:

Posted: 16 Dec 2003, 13:46
by jamesmcdonnell
Stndard Sulaiman tactic, of trying to cover himself in glory after the event.

Had no intention of preventing it happening before the fight, and now that it's over, wants to make himself look good by decrying the participants, in case anyone reprimands him allowing it to happen in the first place, because Joppy got to badly beat up.

Posted: 16 Dec 2003, 13:51
by MightyWarrior
Whatever his motivation I think it's a good idea to do away with bets like that - Joppy would've very likely been pulled out before the end and lived to fight another day.
As it was, I think he ended up taking a career ending beating in there.