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have you ever seen any?

I have, was trying to find the youtube link for you all but failed, i am pretty sure that the fight i am thinking about is available on youtube

so, anyways, Veeraphol vs Tatsuyoshi (2), 3rd round, Tatsuyoshi gets a little bit brave early then caught and hurt with a nice counter with about 1:20 of the round elapsed

what then proceeds is one of the most sickening one-round beatings you will ever see without the fight getting stopped, where Tats gets hurt at least 3 more times, badly, to the head, and at least once and probably twice to the body. Tats was pretty much out on his feet for a minute's worth of nonstop beating, literally a punchbag.

hell, it may even have been a 10-6 round without a KD. Tats was, in my opinion, hurt more totally and in a more thoroughgoing fashion than JMM was in the first round of the first Pac fight.

anyways, try and see the round concerned and tell me I'm mad (or not) for so much as thinking of a 10-7/6 round without KD's....

and have you seen any such rounds your good selves, like?

come on...............

A dominant round and a point deduction could yield a 10-7 round with no knockdowns. I haven't seen one though.

Veeraphol - Tatsuyoshi (2), round 3

surely someone's seen another one?

I don't want to say it's impossible, but I have yet to see one that I would have scored 10-7 without any knockdowns. Maybe if one fighter totally dominated the other fighter from the beginning of the round all the way to the end of the round. Of course in that situation it would usually be stopped. There certainly should have (and should be) more rounds scored 10-8 round without knockdowns.

I've never seen a round I'd score 10-7 without a knockdown either

I'm struggling to think of a 10-8 without a point deduction without a knockdown i.e. purely based on dominance? RJJ scored one?

Without there being a combination of knockdown/s and/or points deductions I just can't see a round being scored 10-7/ A 10-8 round yes if it is really one sided with someone really getting rocked with some hard shots I just can't see it

orbtastic wrote:I'm struggling to think of a 10-8 without a point deduction without a knockdown i.e. purely based on dominance? RJJ scored one?

Sergio Martinez vs Pavlik, round nine.

Also: Maidana vs Khan, round ten.

Both cases at least one judge pulled a 10-8 in favour of the beater at the expense of the beatee, despite no knockdown being scored. Both were completely justified, too, in my opinion.

There you go! Twice! In the last twelve months!

I shall reply more fulsomely & at length upon the morrow (I've just had a Barney with the Missus & am not really in the mood right now) but let me say that yes, the round that C-P mentioned of the second Tats vs Veeraphol (was he NakornluanPromotion at that time? Or was it ThreeKBatteryCorp? Veeraphol Toyota-Thailand maybe? I love Thai boxer's names!) was worth a 10-7, if we're trying to apply some logic & consistency to boxing scoring, in that despite being bounced off the deck like a basketball, JMM (in the first round against Pac) never ever looked as out of it or indeed took as many big flush shots or took as much physical damage as Tatsuyoshi did there; I know that's not the criteria, but at some point good ol' common sense has to step in because Tats took a hell of a beating, enough to make you wonder whether or not his corner hated him, & must've taken about seventy flush punches, all big'uns, & rocked & reeled around the ring like me after a rohypnol & Talisker's binge, & it would be nice to see this reflected in the scoring.

To cut short what has become a rambling reply: as the man said, Tats got such a drubbing you could justify 10-7 there, possibly. You could of course justify stopping the fvcking fight, but that's another matter...

Oh yeah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIHrveP ... re=related

Datsue wrote:

orbtastic wrote:I'm struggling to think of a 10-8 without a point deduction without a knockdown i.e. purely based on dominance? RJJ scored one?

Sergio Martinez vs Pavlik, round nine.

Also: Maidana vs Khan, round ten.

Both cases at least one judge pulled a 10-8 in favour of the beater at the expense of the beatee, despite no knockdown being scored. Both were completely justified, too, in my opinion.

There you go! Twice! In the last twelve months!

Fair enough, don't know why the Khan one didn't register, both CP & I thought a stoppage there wouldn't have been out of order.

Datsue wrote:I shall reply more fulsomely & at length upon the morrow (I've just had a Barney with the Missus & am not really in the mood right now) but let me say that yes, the round that C-P mentioned of the second Tats vs Veeraphol (was he NakornluanPromotion at that time? Or was it ThreeKBatteryCorp? Veeraphol Toyota-Thailand maybe? I love Thai boxer's names!) was worth a 10-7, if we're trying to apply some logic & consistency to boxing scoring, in that despite being bounced off the deck like a basketball, JMM (in the first round against Pac) never ever looked as out of it or indeed took as many big flush shots or took as much physical damage as Tatsuyoshi did there; I know that's not the criteria, but at some point good ol' common sense has to step in because Tats took a hell of a beating, enough to make you wonder whether or not his corner hated him, & must've taken about seventy flush punches, all big'uns, & rocked & reeled around the ring like me after a rohypnol & Talisker's binge, & it would be nice to see this reflected in the scoring.

To cut short what has become a rambling reply: as the man said, Tats got such a drubbing you could justify 10-7 there, possibly. You could of course justify stopping the fvcking fight, but that's another matter...

Oh yeah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIHrveP ... re=related

matt, yeah, Khan - Maidana would be another one i hadn't considered...

JMM - Pac (2), round 8. i have seen someone make the case that JMM's dominance here was worth a 10-8. i don't *quite* agree, but...

10-8 without a kd, you'd definitely have to consider Leonard - Hearns rounds 6 7 and possibly 12...?

Tony Lopez - John John molina, round 9 i think it was, that was definitely worth a 10-8 he beat the crap out of Molina against the ropes having hurt him badly with a barrage of big shots

I didn't think the Veeraphol round was deserving of a 10-7. If that had gone on for a full round and Tatsuyoshi didn''t dominate the first half and wasn't throwing back in the second, that would be another story. I don't know of any rounds that were scored 10-7 without deductions for fouls. Those types of beating are usually stopped during the frame.

Tats getting beaten half to death in the last 1 minute 50 of a round was enough for me mate (Tats first gets roocked at 1:10 of the round gone). i know what you mean that he has some success early but its a classic case of temporary and delusory, pyrrhic (sp?) success. my man like the V just lures him in and smashes him to bits.

Round 12 of Mtagwa-Lopez is another no KD 10-8.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFOnM3DVrFM

Counter-puncher wrote:Tats getting beaten half to death in the last 1 minute 50 of a round was enough for me mate (Tats first gets roocked at 1:10 of the round gone). i know what you mean that he has some success early but its a classic case of temporary and delusory, pyrrhic (sp?) success. my man like the V just lures him in and smashes him to bits.

True, but imo 10-7 with no downs requires utter destruction for three minutes straight.

crusader wrote:Round 12 of Mtagwa-Lopez is another no KD 10-8.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFOnM3DVrFM

good shout. re the 3mins vs 1min50, we can agree to disagree i am sure. i think i may just be a bit more squeamish than some.

Golota got 10:8 round against Bowe without any KD, and I'm quite OK with that as he gave him quite a beating that round. 10:7 would mean the referee is doing poor job by not stoping a fight that is really onesided.

gregor wrote:10:7 would mean the referee is doing poor job by not stoping a fight that is really onesided.

Indeed. The Tatsuyoshi fight that C-P is talking about needed to be stopped, imo. His body language looked wrong.
But then again, I am squeamish (in particular circumstances, anyway): knockdowns don't make me want a fight stopped, but someone who looks "out of it" (can't think of any better way to put it than that), I don't like to see a guy like that taking punches.

Boxing is so human, analogue, it's all a matter of degrees because it's so organic. Which makes attempts to standardise it so bollocky, imo (how hurt does someone have to be to stop a fight? How do we quantify the level of hurt? How can we measure this accurately? All utter bollocks. You just know by looking based on common sense, empathy, temperament & experience. & if that means wildly diverging standards regarding the issue, which it will, because all this judgement is being excercised by human beings, then so be it).

I remembered this thread while watching the fifth round between Richard Towers and Gregory Tony.

I can't find the entire round, but here's an excerpt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1G5GLz7eQ

No round, ever, should be scored 10-7 without any knockdowns if the beating starts to really occur with 1:20 on the clock.

Im not even sure we should go past 10-8 in the absence of knockdowns. I did think Douglas was on the cusp of a 10-8 round against Tyson, FWIW, when he was suddenly dropped in the 8th.

I agree with you on the 10-7 aspect sans knockdowns....that sort of a beating would require stoppage.