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every time i happen to come across his resume here on the board
i am impressed by whom he fought and beat.

man wrote:every time i happen to come across his resume here on the board
i am impressed by whom he fought and beat.

As anyone should be, which makes a mockery of his many haters' catch-cry that he, "lost every big fight he ever had." LOL. De La Hoya's resume is outstanding. I always think a lot of people don't appreciate some of their more fancied stars would've done no better facing such stern opposition, & for so long.

He has a great record, with some great names on it. He didn't shy away from any fight, sure he lost some but he will be regarded as a great fighter, over time.

I am a big fan of his fighting skills, his attitude, willingness to take on anyone, right until the end. Modern day great fighter, for sure.

bengulnaci1 wrote:He has a great record, with some great names on it. He didn't shy away from any fight, sure he lost some but he will be regarded as a great fighter, over time.

I'd love to have seen someone like Roy Jones in an equivalent career. No doubt, all those fanboys calling him one of/the greatest boxer ever would be silenced by his having several losses on his ledger, as De La Hoya does.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

bengulnaci1 wrote:He has a great record, with some great names on it. He didn't shy away from any fight, sure he lost some but he will be regarded as a great fighter, over time.

I'd love to have seen someone like Roy Jones in an equivalent career. No doubt, all those fanboys calling him one of/the greatest boxer ever would be silenced by his having several losses on his ledger, as De La Hoya does.

DLH was a credit to the sport. 100% agree...

what i love most is the "i fight everybody" attitude. taking
chances, win many, lose some. but don't duck for a second.
even his losses are nothing to be ashamed of. close decisions
against mosley, trindad and floyd. the body shot he suffered
against the bigger and stronger hopkins can simply happen.
finally being knocked out by a prime pac after having made
a little too much weight maybe and being past your own ...
again, no excuses, but nothing you have to be ashamed of.

People never mention that he knocked out Rafael Ruelas and Gernaro Hernandez as a pup anymore. Those wins are damn near mind-blowing.

Ronin wrote:People never mention that he knocked out Rafael Ruelas and Gernaro Hernandez as a pup anymore. Those wins are damn near mind-blowing.

Excellent point. Those wins were definitely big news. Didn't he get Rafael's brother, Gabriel, at some point as well?

No. I remember that clash being talked about in The Ring Magazine, though.

He (Oscar De La Hoya), was a great fighter, but not as great as many people think. In the biggest fight of his career against Felix "Tito" Trinidad, he flopped. He did not close the show like the real great ones. That was the fight that, if he would have won convincingly, (In my mind, he beat Tito, no doubt) and close the show like he should, he would have been rated along with the true all time greats. But dissapointingly, HE RAN LIKE A CHICKEN THE LAST 3 ROUNDS OF THAT FIGHT. He did not beat the great Pernell Whitaker. The great Julio Cesar Chavez was washed up when he beat him the two times they met. John-John Molina was robbed when he clearly whupped him. And lost to the greats Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Manny Pacquiao. Well, I don't count those losses that much because when he fought those two, HE WAS AT THE END OF HIS CAREER. Impressive record? no doubt. Is he in my personal list of the 100 greatest pound per pound fighters ever? No at all.

elmersalsa wrote:He (Oscar De La Hoya), was a great fighter, but not as great as many people think. In the biggest fight of his career against Felix "Tito" Trinidad, he flopped. He did not close the show like the real great ones. That was the fight that, if he would have won convincingly, (In my mind, he beat Tito, no doubt) and close the show like he should, he would have been rated along with the true all time greats. But dissapointingly, HE RAN LIKE A CHICKEN THE LAST 3 ROUNDS OF THAT FIGHT. He did not beat the great Pernell Whitaker. The great Julio Cesar Chavez was washed up when he beat him the two times they met. John-John Molina was robbed when he clearly whupped him. And lost to the greats Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Manny Pacquiao. Well, I don't count those losses that much because when he fought those two, HE WAS AT THE END OF HIS CAREER. Impressive record? no doubt. Is he in my personal list of the 100 greatest pound per pound fighters ever? No at all.

I was going to respond to the first ridiculous point, then the second. After, the third...but then I just thougth this would be quicker...

I give him credit for a puzzling win over Tito and splitting a pair with Shane. Whitaker a draw, and possibly a draw with Bazooka.

He has a great record no doubt, and his record is filled with interesting anomalies. Nothing boring about his legacy.

He's not an all-time great. Don't fool yourselves

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:He (Oscar De La Hoya), was a great fighter, but not as great as many people think. In the biggest fight of his career against Felix "Tito" Trinidad, he flopped. He did not close the show like the real great ones. That was the fight that, if he would have won convincingly, (In my mind, he beat Tito, no doubt) and close the show like he should, he would have been rated along with the true all time greats. But dissapointingly, HE RAN LIKE A CHICKEN THE LAST 3 ROUNDS OF THAT FIGHT. He did not beat the great Pernell Whitaker. The great Julio Cesar Chavez was washed up when he beat him the two times they met. John-John Molina was robbed when he clearly whupped him. And lost to the greats Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Manny Pacquiao. Well, I don't count those losses that much because when he fought those two, HE WAS AT THE END OF HIS CAREER. Impressive record? no doubt. Is he in my personal list of the 100 greatest pound per pound fighters ever? No at all.

I was going to respond to the first ridiculous point, then the second. After, the third...but then I just thougth this would be quicker...

Don't fool yourself, GNI

I am well-versed in your bias against De La Hoya, Elmer.

prime DLH would have been a reasonable contender
for many P4P greats. don't see how that could be
disputed. his aggressive style, his determination are
just great assets. you don't push someone like that
away easily ...

He fought damn near every big name fighter of his era and won the majority of the time. How many guys who have made as much money in the boxing game as De La Hoya would continue to take the stiffest challenges out there just because they wanted to challenge themselves like that? Nothing more really needs to be said. No he wasn't the greatest fighter of all time, Yes there are several ATG's who could beat him, and plenty of guys in his own time that beat him. But don't kid yourself, Oscar De La Hoya was a fighter to the bone.

gilgamesh wrote:Oscar De La Hoya was a fighter to the bone.

second that. and in the time of big hayewheather this
means even more.

gilgamesh wrote:He fought damn near every big name fighter of his era and won the majority of the time. How many guys who have made as much money in the boxing game as De La Hoya would continue to take the stiffest challenges out there just because they wanted to challenge themselves like that? Nothing more really needs to be said. No he wasn't the greatest fighter of all time, Yes there are several ATG's who could beat him, and plenty of guys in his own time that beat him. But don't kid yourself, Oscar De La Hoya was a fighter to the bone.

He puts a fighter like Mayweather to absolute shame in this regard. Truly.

Another way to look at the respect De La Hoya deserves --- he was obviously respected enough to encourage at least two opponents (Vargas, Mosley) to resort to PED's when facing him.

elmersalsa wrote:He (Oscar De La Hoya), was a great fighter, but not as great as many people think. In the biggest fight of his career against Felix "Tito" Trinidad, he flopped. He did not close the show like the real great ones. That was the fight that, if he would have won convincingly, (In my mind, he beat Tito, no doubt) and close the show like he should, he would have been rated along with the true all time greats. But dissapointingly, HE RAN LIKE A CHICKEN THE LAST 3 ROUNDS OF THAT FIGHT. He did not beat the great Pernell Whitaker. The great Julio Cesar Chavez was washed up when he beat him the two times they met. John-John Molina was robbed when he clearly whupped him. And lost to the greats Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Manny Pacquiao. Well, I don't count those losses that much because when he fought those two, HE WAS AT THE END OF HIS CAREER. Impressive record? no doubt. Is he in my personal list of the 100 greatest pound per pound fighters ever? No at all.

Didn't your superman Duran quit like a chicken in the second fight vs Leonard?

Sorry I forgot he had to go to the bathroom

Don't know where you hate for DLH comes from but it quite obvious. DLH did not lose to Molina. Molina was holding for dear life most of the fight. People don't give him credit for taking that fight that he did not have to take. He only took the fight because he wanted to fight best fighters out there. He was a part time fighter when he fought Floyd and was more a businessman at that point in his career and made the fight very close. Both at their best I pick DLH to defeat Mayweather.


How can you consider Mayweather a great and not DLH?

Idisagree wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:He (Oscar De La Hoya), was a great fighter, but not as great as many people think. In the biggest fight of his career against Felix "Tito" Trinidad, he flopped. He did not close the show like the real great ones. That was the fight that, if he would have won convincingly, (In my mind, he beat Tito, no doubt) and close the show like he should, he would have been rated along with the true all time greats. But dissapointingly, HE RAN LIKE A CHICKEN THE LAST 3 ROUNDS OF THAT FIGHT. He did not beat the great Pernell Whitaker. The great Julio Cesar Chavez was washed up when he beat him the two times they met. John-John Molina was robbed when he clearly whupped him. And lost to the greats Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Manny Pacquiao. Well, I don't count those losses that much because when he fought those two, HE WAS AT THE END OF HIS CAREER. Impressive record? no doubt. Is he in my personal list of the 100 greatest pound per pound fighters ever? No at all.

Didn't your superman Duran quit like a chicken in the second fight vs Leonard?

Sorry I forgot he had to go to the bathroom

Don't know where you hate for DLH comes from but it quite obvious. DLH did not lose to Molina. Molina was holding for dear life most of the fight. People don't give him credit for taking that fight that he did not have to take. He only took the fight because he wanted to fight best fighters out there. He was a part time fighter when he fought Floyd and was more a businessman at that point in his career and made the fight very close. Both at their best I pick DLH to defeat Mayweather.


How can you consider Mayweather a great and not DLH?

Love to see Elmer's double-standard in full-swing for this one.

Idisagree wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:He (Oscar De La Hoya), was a great fighter, but not as great as many people think. In the biggest fight of his career against Felix "Tito" Trinidad, he flopped. He did not close the show like the real great ones. That was the fight that, if he would have won convincingly, (In my mind, he beat Tito, no doubt) and close the show like he should, he would have been rated along with the true all time greats. But dissapointingly, HE RAN LIKE A CHICKEN THE LAST 3 ROUNDS OF THAT FIGHT. He did not beat the great Pernell Whitaker. The great Julio Cesar Chavez was washed up when he beat him the two times they met. John-John Molina was robbed when he clearly whupped him. And lost to the greats Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Manny Pacquiao. Well, I don't count those losses that much because when he fought those two, HE WAS AT THE END OF HIS CAREER. Impressive record? no doubt. Is he in my personal list of the 100 greatest pound per pound fighters ever? No at all.

Didn't your superman Duran quit like a chicken in the second fight vs Leonard?

Sorry I forgot he had to go to the bathroom

Don't know where you hate for DLH comes from but it quite obvious. DLH did not lose to Molina. Molina was holding for dear life most of the fight. People don't give him credit for taking that fight that he did not have to take. He only took the fight because he wanted to fight best fighters out there. He was a part time fighter when he fought Floyd and was more a businessman at that point in his career and made the fight very close. Both at their best I pick DLH to defeat Mayweather.


How can you consider Mayweather a great and not DLH?

Ledderman was out of his mind on that card and many Internet fans have run with it for years. Molina fought an inspired fight against a superior fighter. He won 4 rounds in a heck of an effort. He didn't come close to winning. Neither did Oscar against Floyd.

Mayweather is greater than Oscar by a good margin. But Oscar was still great in his own right. It amuses me that people think there are only 35 all-time greats.

People will be talking about Oscar delaHoya as a great fighter for the rest of time. Love him or hate him. I personally hate his guts, that doesn't change his talent and that he was good for the sport.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I personally hate his guts

?

Just an expression, I don't like him.