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Owl wrote:

Old Fred wrote:

jaclem2 wrote:..where's joe louis? not from the floor as most of the guys mentioned. but from his regular stand up stance, off a jab and could land three in a row...and powerful.

I'm with you. Any discussion about left hooks without the Brown Bomber cant be taken too seriously.

Ok. Well feel free to stop participating in it. The reason for the non inclusion of Louis was a simple one in my mind. I thought more of people who used it as a signature punch as something that you knew you had to watch out when going in the ring in your game plan. I may be wrong Louis was a very complete fighter you either have him at number 1 or 2 in the ATG of HW but in the same time in my humble mind louis was more known for just delivering deadly punches from 6 inches or when his adversaries tried to come towards him. Much more than "oh killer left hook".

I do accept that I should have maybe included Tyson and Cooney. But I honestly don't think Louis should be in the choices. Because then I could argue why not Ali? he too threw almost every punch efficiently, but we all know his left hook was not something to watch out for in the same sense as dempsey's or Frazier's. There is simply no "aura" around Louis' left hook. It was a very good left hook but in no way the "best".

Owl wrote:

jaclem2 wrote:...owl..you say your exclusion was a "simple one in my mind."...and indeed, it would take a simple mind to leave him out.

Cute. One thing I noticed about some Boxrec posters is that most seem to struggle with the basic rules of discussing ones opinions. One can ridicule the opinion but to ridicule the one who states the opinion. Why because ridiculing the person behind the opinion is really just a lack of proper manners. If you want to show he is wrong or you disagree you don't need to post with "your a pudendum/idiot/stupid/you don't know shit/etc" you can just tell me your arguments. What you think about me is really irrelevant.

Its sad really. Because Boxing scene has many more trolls and poorly mannered individuals because they have such a greater following. It seems that though boxrec is considerably less populated it nonetheless has the same amount of people who simply post to pick on the posters rather than the argument or the basis of their argument.

It seems harder and harder to have a good back and forward conversation between knowledgeable people, even if of a different opinion.

gilgamesh wrote:To me it's gotta be Joe Frazier. His left hook was his only truly dangerous punch, and he became Heavyweight Champion because of it. That says it all.

dempseyfire wrote:Frazier did not "just have the left hook".

He had an excellent jab, and while his right hand was not the money punch his left was, it could do damage and came fast and hard. He slashed up Quarry's face in their rematch with the right hand. Also solid body puncher with either hand, as well as the uppercut.