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I am going with the obvious instance of De La Hoya, but it looks to me you are changing records based on your exact scoring --- I will just change my records where I think the result is plainly wrong...

De La Hoya:

Actual record of 39-6-0, but he should be 40-5-0. Beat Mosley & Trinidad, though lost to Sturm (which he effectively admits to in his book).

Sugar Ray Leonard

Actual record:

36-3-1

Should be:

34-5-0

He lost to Hagler.

The "draw" with Hearns was a close UD I believe.

BarryWashington wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I am going with the obvious instance of De La Hoya, but it looks to me you are changing records based on your exact scoring --- I will just change my records where I think the result is plainly wrong...

De La Hoya:

Actual record of 39-6-0, but he should be 40-5-0. Beat Mosley & Trinidad, though lost to Sturm (which he effectively admits to in his book).

yeah im goin off personal opinions but de la hoya was a good choice and agree with ur modifications (although elmer would probably want to add a loss since he thinks molina beat dlh)

a great boxer for this thread would be emanuel burton/augustus. ive seen a handful of his fights where he got jerked in the decision.

It's a good topic. If I was going by exact scoring, I thought De La Hoya drew with Quartey, so my record would change slightly again, but as it is, I'm happy to just change what I consider to be obvious flaws in judging.

Great shout with Burton, BTW. How about Sven Ottke?

Here is another interesting WHAT IF? question.
What if it was mandatory that a professional boxer(since Jim J. Corbett) that the fighter retires immediately the day
after their 35th birthday.All fights afterward dont count at all.
What would the greats records then be?
Who would have the best record?
Which fighters would have an undefeated record?

Lennox Lewis 41-2-1

Should be 41-2-1. I thought his majority decision win over Mercer should have been scored a draw, and his draw with Holyfield should have been a clear decision win. Some would argue he should be 40-3-1, having lost the second Holyfield fight, but I score this fight narrowly to Lewis.


Floyd Mayweather 41-0-0

Should be 40-1-0. Lost a clear decision to Castillo in their first fight.

Michael Spinks 31-1
should be 29-3

lost to Eddie Davis at LHW
lost the rematch with Larry Holmes

Marvin Hagler 62-3-2
should be 62-4-1
lost to Vito Antuofermo in the first fight

I still gotta score Antuofermo v Minter I, and see if Vito deserves 2 more wins on his record.

Floyd Patterson, 55-8-1, should be 57-6-1, having clearly beaten both Maxim and Ellis.

Gavilan should have 10 losses at most.

Seamus wrote: Marvin Hagler 62-3-2
should be 62-4-1
lost to Vito Antuofermo in the first fight

I thought Oscar edged Mayweather.

Chris Eubank lost a few fights and got the nod.

I was ringside when Robin Reid beat Calzaghe.

Toney was very lucky to get some off his decisions.

keithmoonhangover wrote:I thought Oscar edged Mayweather.

He should have gotten the W against Mosley the 2nd time around, nothing wrong about the decision against PBF.

King Carlos wrote:

Seamus wrote: Marvin Hagler 62-3-2
should be 62-4-1
lost to Vito Antuofermo in the first fight

x2

That's one of the craziest things I've ever read. I guess if you tried really hard you could give Vito 5 rounds.

Leonard and the first Monroe fight are the only losses I think Marvin earned.

Jaywheel wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:I thought Oscar edged Mayweather.

He should have gotten the W against Mosley the 2nd time around, nothing wrong about the decision against PBF.

to you too

BarryWashington wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Jaywheel wrote:

He should have gotten the W against Mosley the 2nd time around, nothing wrong about the decision against PBF.

to you too

nah mayweather jr. easily won that fight - no questions about it

He was toying with him.

BarryWashington wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Jaywheel wrote:

He should have gotten the W against Mosley the 2nd time around, nothing wrong about the decision against PBF.

to you too

nah mayweather jr. easily won that fight - no questions about it

I had Oscar by two rounds and I'm not alone, the fans in the arena chanted Bullshit and booed. Just my opinion.

I know it's not out of the question that some people have the DLH/Mayweather fight scored for DLH, but I thought Mayweather won a close, but clear decision in the fight, and I'd say that's the opinion of about 70 or 80% of the people who see that fight, so people scoring it for DLH are in the minority on that one.

King Carlos wrote:

Seamus wrote: Marvin Hagler 62-3-2
should be 62-4-1
lost to Vito Antuofermo in the first fight

I had Hagler barely winning. It was a close fight and could have gone Antuofermo's way; a draw was reasonable. Hagler was obviously the better fighter, but in this fight he gave away some rounds that made it close. Antuofermo never quit and made it interesting.

gilgamesh wrote:I know it's not out of the question that some people have the DLH/Mayweather fight scored for DLH, but I thought Mayweather won a close, but clear decision in the fight, and I'd say that's the opinion of about 70 or 80% of the people who see that fight, so people scoring it for DLH are in the minority on that one.

I can't see how anyone could score it for Oscar. It wasn't a complete whitewashing like Hagler/Antuofermo. But finding 7 rounds for Oscar should be impossible. I thought Floyd swept the last 6 rounds without much effort. He made it closer than it needed to be by fooling around, but 8-4 or 9-3 is what I saw.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I know it's not out of the question that some people have the DLH/Mayweather fight scored for DLH, but I thought Mayweather won a close, but clear decision in the fight, and I'd say that's the opinion of about 70 or 80% of the people who see that fight, so people scoring it for DLH are in the minority on that one.

I can't see how anyone could score it for Oscar. It wasn't a complete whitewashing like Hagler/Antuofermo. But finding 7 rounds for Oscar should be impossible. I thought Floyd swept the last 6 rounds without much effort. He made it closer than it needed to be by fooling around, but 8-4 or 9-3 is what I saw.

I noticed, though, that your ability to score fights is not nearly so well-schooled as your ability to analyse fights and fighters. Didn't you also have Whitaker beating De La Hoya 9-3? Mayweather, too? Then Antuofermo barely scrapes five rounds from Hagler, in one of the greatest myth robberies ever (thank you once again, HBO's Legendary Nights)? All this, but Barrera wasn't jobbed against Morales!?

What about Glen Johnson? I've only ever seen him against Jones and Tarver, but I've heard some of his decision losses were dubious.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I know it's not out of the question that some people have the DLH/Mayweather fight scored for DLH, but I thought Mayweather won a close, but clear decision in the fight, and I'd say that's the opinion of about 70 or 80% of the people who see that fight, so people scoring it for DLH are in the minority on that one.

I can't see how anyone could score it for Oscar. It wasn't a complete whitewashing like Hagler/Antuofermo. But finding 7 rounds for Oscar should be impossible. I thought Floyd swept the last 6 rounds without much effort. He made it closer than it needed to be by fooling around, but 8-4 or 9-3 is what I saw.

I noticed, though, that your ability to score fights is not nearly so well-schooled as your ability to analyse fights and fighters. Didn't you also have Whitaker beating De La Hoya 9-3? Mayweather, too? Then Antuofermo barely scrapes five rounds from Hagler, in one of the greatest myth robberies ever (thank you once again, HBO's Legendary Nights)? All this, but Barrera wasn't jobbed against Morales!?

I've noticed that you adore Oscar. I had Hagler/Antuofermo 12-3, 10-5 would be a generous card.

Morales/MAB could have gone either way. I'd love to see your card. Show me where I've gone off of the beaten path. What seven rounds were definitively Barrera's? Better yet, if it was such a robbery, he must have clearly won at least 8 rounds. Enlighten me Irene.

You actually think Hagler/Antuofermo & Mayweather/DLH were closer fights than Morales/MAB?

I wouldn't pass judgment on anyone's scoring with retarded views like that.

gilgamesh wrote:I know it's not out of the question that some people have the DLH/Mayweather fight scored for DLH, but I thought Mayweather won a close, but clear decision in the fight, and I'd say that's the opinion of about 70 or 80% of the people who see that fight, so people scoring it for DLH are in the minority on that one.

I had it for DLH by a round, but at the same time I know in myself that I cannot STAND Mayweather, so I know I couldn't have scored it objectively. Couldn't have.

MatthewS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I know it's not out of the question that some people have the DLH/Mayweather fight scored for DLH, but I thought Mayweather won a close, but clear decision in the fight, and I'd say that's the opinion of about 70 or 80% of the people who see that fight, so people scoring it for DLH are in the minority on that one.

I had it for DLH by a round, but at the same time I know in myself that I cannot STAND Mayweather, so I know I couldn't have scored it objectively. Couldn't have.

this kind of admission should be made a LOT more often, IMO

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote: I noticed, though, that your ability to score fights is not nearly so well-schooled as your ability to analyse fights and fighters. Didn't you also have Whitaker beating De La Hoya 9-3? Mayweather, too? Then Antuofermo barely scrapes five rounds from Hagler, in one of the greatest myth robberies ever (thank you once again, HBO's Legendary Nights)? All this, but Barrera wasn't jobbed against Morales!?

I've noticed that you adore Oscar. I had Hagler/Antuofermo 12-3, 10-5 would be a generous card.

Morales/MAB could have gone either way. I'd love to see your card. Show me where I've gone off of the beaten path. What seven rounds were definitively Barrera's? Better yet, if it was such a robbery, he must have clearly won at least 8 rounds. Enlighten me Irene.

You actually think Hagler/Antuofermo & Mayweather/DLH were closer fights than Morales/MAB?

I wouldn't pass judgment on anyone's scoring with retarded views like that.

i'll be honest i thought the first barrera morales was 8-4 mab and the second fight was 7-5 morales i havent watched the third fight (strange that i havent) but when i do ill post my score

i scored morales - maidana 6-5-1 for morales (i just couldnt give the 9th round to either of them)

some one mentioned glen johnson and he would be a good candidate for this thread id also include fres oquendo as another candidate

There were so many close rounds, a wide disparity on scorecards is to be expected. I know the majority of people sided with MAB in the fight and Morales is one of my all time favorites. I just see too many 114-113 MAB scorecards and the same people say he was robbed. I find fights with that much action very difficult to score. Barrera was landing the heavier stuff all night and Morales landed more. You can make a case for either guy in the majority of the rounds.

Something like Mayweather/DLH I find much easier to score. There is nothing frenetic going on and you can see just about every punch that is landed.

I didn't even score the Maidana fight. Just slugged Bourbon and cheered from my couch. That was the first PPV I've purchased in ages and I don't ever recall a fight where I cared less about the decision. Morales proved a lot of people wrong, no matter what the record book says. He is the man.