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Maybe I've not heard him for a while, but I was quite shocked at how badly Mosley's speech patterns have altered in the 360 documentaries - his speech is slow and slurred - he's had a very long pro and amateur career, and taken a hell of a lot of shots to the noggin.

Only the other night, I saw an excellent documentary on Ali v Holmes, it was clear during that filming that Ali's speech was very badly impaired, and even his movements looked very sluggish, he seemed to be shambling when he walked and slightly stooped, and when he ran there was a noticable difference in his gait. Ali actually showed neurological damage during his pre-fight assessment by Nevada state, but they shamefully let him fight on, no doubt for the benefit of the Casinos.

I really hope that if Shane takes a shellacing here, which he most probably will, he retires. In fact, even if he wins, this should be his last fight, before he does irreversable damage to himself.

I know it's a fighter's call and all that - but please, someone stop these old boys from fighting on after long hard careers. People cite George Foreman, but he had a decade out of the ring, and hadn't really taken much punishment at all in his career prior to that.

He sounded pretty bad on his recent on the ropes interviews, not quite as bad in the docus for this fight. The man is making 6million though so I don't feel too sorry for him, he can swan off into retirement and live in luxury after this fight and I reckon Pacquaio will fight cautiously or pay the price

having just watched him on fight news . com the time he beat osca sounded different to no defo punch drunk sounds like esham pickerin thought it was shane on the phone ha ha ha

Didn't Esham beat you but not get the decision?

man I would love it if shane KHTFO, how good would that be?

that said I noticed his speach to and its not good.

shane shoud have stayed of the powerpills and staed at LW, he would have been a beast at LW.
Man he would have killed Hatton, I reckon he would have done a 'adrain stone' on Ricky.

Jon Saxon wrote:man I would love it if shane KHTFO, how good would that be?

that said I noticed his speach to and its not good.

shane shoud have stayed of the powerpills and staed at LW, he would have been a beast at LW.
Man he would have killed Hatton, I reckon he would have done a 'adrain stone' on Ricky.

Yes, I think at 140, he would have been pretty much unbeatable, I think he would have ruined Kostya Tszyu, - it's a great shame he never campaigned there.

He seemed to be ok at 135, he never wanted for Stamina, I think he chased Oscar up the weights unfortunately - and missed a trick.

I agree, always struck me that he takes too many punches - he's too brave for his own good is Shane, seems a good man too ( plus he must be a bit punchy from his ex wife, who looked a bloody nightmare ).

A sad excuse for a very un super fight, Shane is being thrown to the feet of Manny The Great. He's going to take a terrible beating, and 6 mill aint much good without your health.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Maybe I've not heard him for a while, but I was quite shocked at how badly Mosley's speech patterns have altered in the 360 documentaries - his speech is slow and slurred - he's had a very long pro and amateur career, and taken a hell of a lot of shots to the noggin.

Only the other night, I saw an excellent documentary on Ali v Holmes, it was clear during that filming that Ali's speech was very badly impaired, and even his movements looked very sluggish, he seemed to be shambling when he walked and slightly stooped, and when he ran there was a noticable difference in his gait. Ali actually showed neurological damage during his pre-fight assessment by Nevada state, but they shamefully let him fight on, no doubt for the benefit of the Casinos.

I really hope that if Shane takes a shellacing here, which he most probably will, he retires. In fact, even if he wins, this should be his last fight, before he does irreversable damage to himself.

I know it's a fighter's call and all that - but please, someone stop these old boys from fighting on after long hard careers. People cite George Foreman, but he had a decade out of the ring, and hadn't really taken much punishment at all in his career prior to that.

It's Mosleys decision to fight on or not. If people don't want to see it, don't watch. I'm sure you will be watching the fight.

It's always interesting to me the difference between American fighters and British ones in terms of Speech which i think tends to be the biggest indictator of long term damage from the effects of Boxing.

When you listen to retired British boxers like Lloyd Honeyghan, Chris Eubanks, Nigel Benn, John conteh, Naseem Hamed, Lennox Lewis, Barry McGuigan, steve collins and even the recently deceased Henry Cooper i don't hear any real sign of slurred speech but with a lot of retired American boxers predominately the black boxers you do, even a slick defensive boxer like Pernall Whittaker slurs his speech now so it's interesting what the differences are?

The sign of changed/slurred speech patterns should be looked into more closely and even implemented into whether a boxer is given a license to box or not.

I did come across this footage of Jack Dempsey at 70
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WHXdzib91w

as you can see he's still sharp and has clear speech so i think some boxers are more prone to long term damage from blows to the head then others in later life.

exittored wrote:It's always interesting to me the difference between American fighters and British ones in terms of Speech which i think tends to be the biggest indictator of long term damage from the effects of Boxing.

When you listen to retired British boxers like Lloyd Honeyghan, Chris Eubanks, Nigel Benn, John conteh, Naseem Hamed, Lennox Lewis, Barry McGuigan, steve collins and even the recently deceased Henry Cooper i don't hear any real sign of slurred speech but with a lot of retired American boxers predominately the black boxers you do, even a slick defensive boxer like Pernall Whittaker slurs his speech now so it's interesting what the differences are?

The sign of changed/slurred speech patterns should be looked into more closely and even implemented into whether a boxer is given a license to box or not.

I did come across this footage of Jack Dempsey at 70
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WHXdzib91w

as you can see he's still sharp and has clear speech so i think some boxers are more prone to long term damage from blows to the head then others in later life.

Wonder if it could be the nature of sparring. Boxers spar far more rounds than they ever fight, and I know that the tradition of sparring in the states tends to differ from in the UK, and hard sparring is more the norm.

John Conteh's speech is rather slurred for what it's worth - I've heard him giving talks a few times, and it's very mumbly and slow.

xb51 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Maybe I've not heard him for a while, but I was quite shocked at how badly Mosley's speech patterns have altered in the 360 documentaries - his speech is slow and slurred - he's had a very long pro and amateur career, and taken a hell of a lot of shots to the noggin.

Only the other night, I saw an excellent documentary on Ali v Holmes, it was clear during that filming that Ali's speech was very badly impaired, and even his movements looked very sluggish, he seemed to be shambling when he walked and slightly stooped, and when he ran there was a noticable difference in his gait. Ali actually showed neurological damage during his pre-fight assessment by Nevada state, but they shamefully let him fight on, no doubt for the benefit of the Casinos.

I really hope that if Shane takes a shellacing here, which he most probably will, he retires. In fact, even if he wins, this should be his last fight, before he does irreversable damage to himself.

I know it's a fighter's call and all that - but please, someone stop these old boys from fighting on after long hard careers. People cite George Foreman, but he had a decade out of the ring, and hadn't really taken much punishment at all in his career prior to that.

It's Mosleys decision to fight on or not. If people don't want to see it, don't watch. I'm sure you will be watching the fight.

Boxing should protect those who are already showing signs of neurological damage from fighting any more. It shouldn't be down to a boxer to carry on or not when they are already showing signs of damage, which Mosley seems to be.



Also I notice in the clips of Mosley, there is no evidence whatsoever of any combination punching or any real speed work.

Brendan (Ingle) always told me that the real damage is done in sparring, not the actualy fight.I think the american fighters really go all out in sparring,and sadly that takes it toll.If you look at someone like Lennox Lewis, he alwasy saved his best for the fight, as do all the Ingle fighters.It's very important that, I think.

Does Brendan not put as much emphasis on sparring then?

I think the gym culture in the states is generally different, there's a bigger base of fighters and lots of people looking to prove themselves, and so there's lots and lots of real tough sparring.

I think in the UK, sparring is more of a technical exercise - with fighters trying out moves rather than trying to smash their sparring partner to pieces, and vice versa.

I'm sure there are exceptions to this, but this is what I've always been told.

Captain Hook wrote:Does Brendan not put as much emphasis on sparring then?

He believes in a lot of sparring, but not all out all the time, and mainly to the body, although open sparring does happen, but only when people are really ready for it, and it keeps you very sharp to switch from body sparring to open sparring and back again.

Continuous wars don't do anyone any favours.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Also I notice in the clips of Mosley, there is no evidence whatsoever of any combination punching or any real speed work.

I noticed this too. He was loading up on the bag but gone are the old combinations and fast hands that he was known for. Even his face looks very different to the Shane Mosley of ten years ago (can you believe it was a decade ago he was trouncing the like of Stone at welterweight? Seems like yesterday).

black panther wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Also I notice in the clips of Mosley, there is no evidence whatsoever of any combination punching or any real speed work.

I noticed this too. He was loading up on the bag but gone are the old combinations and fast hands that he was known for. Even his face looks very different to the Shane Mosley of ten years ago (can you believe it was a decade ago he was trouncing the like of Stone at welterweight? Seems like yesterday).

Fantastic fighter in his prime.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

xb51 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Maybe I've not heard him for a while, but I was quite shocked at how badly Mosley's speech patterns have altered in the 360 documentaries - his speech is slow and slurred - he's had a very long pro and amateur career, and taken a hell of a lot of shots to the noggin.

Only the other night, I saw an excellent documentary on Ali v Holmes, it was clear during that filming that Ali's speech was very badly impaired, and even his movements looked very sluggish, he seemed to be shambling when he walked and slightly stooped, and when he ran there was a noticable difference in his gait. Ali actually showed neurological damage during his pre-fight assessment by Nevada state, but they shamefully let him fight on, no doubt for the benefit of the Casinos.

I really hope that if Shane takes a shellacing here, which he most probably will, he retires. In fact, even if he wins, this should be his last fight, before he does irreversable damage to himself.

I know it's a fighter's call and all that - but please, someone stop these old boys from fighting on after long hard careers. People cite George Foreman, but he had a decade out of the ring, and hadn't really taken much punishment at all in his career prior to that.

It's Mosleys decision to fight on or not. If people don't want to see it, don't watch. I'm sure you will be watching the fight.

Boxing should protect those who are already showing signs of neurological damage from fighting any more. It shouldn't be down to a boxer to carry on or not when they are already showing signs of damage, which Mosley seems to be.

I hate this argument because the point you make is a decent point but has no way of being implemented appropriately accross the board. How do you propose to do that? It's a subjective opinion. You say he is slurring his words, others will say he is perfectly fine. A brain scan will probably back their views.

black panther wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Also I notice in the clips of Mosley, there is no evidence whatsoever of any combination punching or any real speed work.

I noticed this too. He was loading up on the bag but gone are the old combinations and fast hands that he was known for. Even his face looks very different to the Shane Mosley of ten years ago (can you believe it was a decade ago he was trouncing the like of Stone at welterweight? Seems like yesterday).

Fighters with power should never work on their power only speed, the power never goes away.

Main concern about Shane was how terrible and skittish he looked when trying to finish Mayweather off, he looked like his reflexes were shot right there.
TBF Mayweather isn't Adrian stone, but go watch how ineffective Shanes follow up was after the 2nd big punch that really hurt Mayweather, it was terrible how bad his skills were.

My conren for shane just isnt about his skillset these days, he fights tight which is unusual for a black fighter (unless your Jeff Lacy or Bruno ) and this 'tight' which always drains your power, look at Mayweather relaxed as fuk and a ton of stamina at the end.
someone should have taught Shane to relax years ago.
fighting tight worked for him in the fight with 'goldie' but that's because goldie is tight as fornicate also, however a relaxed fighter with good skills will always outlast a tight fighter, some fighters fight great tight (Holyfield being a good example of someone who also fights tight but relaxed at the same time) but once they encounter a relaxed fighter it usually doesn't pan out (Holy V Toney).

I just hope he retires after this.

PS His ex wife looked great but was a horror.

exittored wrote: I did come across this footage of Jack Dempsey at 70
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WHXdzib91w

as you can see he's still sharp and has clear speech so i think some boxers are more prone to long term damage from blows to the head then others in later life.

Strange isn't it? In his 80's Jake Lamotta is still sharp as a tack, whereas Terry Norris is in a very bad way already. Given the respective punishment they took, there just doesn't sem any logic.

I think that in some cases a boxer tries to boil down a division (or 2), dehydrates themselves and the brain is more easily damaged. It is a shame if Mosley is showing signs of damage; these things tend to get more pronounced and he is still a young man.

big lennox wrote:Didn't Esham beat you but not get the decision?

yer i take my hat off to him dropped me in the first 2 rounds then ran with shit drippin down his legs for 10 rounds big lennox

xb51 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

xb51 wrote: It's Mosleys decision to fight on or not. If people don't want to see it, don't watch. I'm sure you will be watching the fight.

Boxing should protect those who are already showing signs of neurological damage from fighting any more. It shouldn't be down to a boxer to carry on or not when they are already showing signs of damage, which Mosley seems to be.

I hate this argument because the point you make is a decent point but has no way of being implemented appropriately accross the board. How do you propose to do that? It's a subjective opinion. You say he is slurring his words, others will say he is perfectly fine. A brain scan will probably back their views.

Doesn't have to be subjective - they could do what they do in other sports where there is a neurological test conducted each year and unless you can stay within a % of your baseline you aint taking part any more.

Sports like NFL, NHL etc are slowly realising that they are responsible for their sportsmen and leaving all of their hall of famers in a terrible state is no advert for attracting new fans/participants to the sport.

I for one am not interested in seeing a great such as Mosley turn into a mess and I think he should hang them up after this fight and keep what he still has.

I agree with the people talking about sparring though - did a group of neurologists not recently conclude that the majority of cognitive damage boxers suffer is done in sparring?

mkirkhope wrote:

xb51 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Boxing should protect those who are already showing signs of neurological damage from fighting any more. It shouldn't be down to a boxer to carry on or not when they are already showing signs of damage, which Mosley seems to be.

I hate this argument because the point you make is a decent point but has no way of being implemented appropriately accross the board. How do you propose to do that? It's a subjective opinion. You say he is slurring his words, others will say he is perfectly fine. A brain scan will probably back their views.

Doesn't have to be subjective - they could do what they do in other sports where there is a neurological test conducted each year and unless you can stay within a % of your baseline you aint taking part any more.

Sports like NFL, NHL etc are slowly realising that they are responsible for their sportsmen and leaving all of their hall of famers in a terrible state is no advert for attracting new fans/participants to the sport.

I for one am not interested in seeing a great such as Mosley turn into a mess and I think he should hang them up after this fight and keep what he still has.

I agree with the people talking about sparring though - did a group of neurologists not recently conclude that the majority of cognitive damage boxers suffer is done in sparring?

i totally agree with you i had harder spars than fight s training for big fight s but thata the sport we love