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of raising Tom Dallas' hand there. 2 rounds at least in Page's favour. Disgraceful

i am ashamed for him

eff IJL.

This is getting ridiculous now. The man has no place in boxing

Then he gets the Hopkins - Pascal gig

bfchunk wrote:Then he gets the Hopkins - Pascal gig

exactly. even after the Klitschko v Briggs farce.

He is not a bad ref, just a poor judge.

forcefraser wrote:He is not a bad ref, just a poor judge.

Your right.....I think he is a good ref....In regards to his judging I think he believes he is doing the fighter a favour but ultimately he is giving himself and boxing a bad name.

forcefraser wrote:He is not a bad ref, just a poor judge.

Poor or corrupt?

A bit of both

I think the fault may lay with the board after the Prizefighter scoring he got a rapon the knuckles and now this What will they do this time I tell you NOTHING

didnt see the fight

but i guess we've found Dallas's level already

i saw him once and he looked average.

Cant understand how Ian John Lewis was allowed to ref this fight. They both come from the same area..Medway Towns, Tom from Chatham and Ian fron Gillingham, the fight also took place in Gillingham. This seems unfair on everyone involved. He should never have been allowed to ref this fight.

Yes, another very poor decision.

Makes me laugh the way people always talk about how difficult it is to get a decision in Germany, when right here in the UK we have barmy verdicts like this one.

nh1 wrote:Yes, another very poor decision.

Makes me laugh the way people always talk about how difficult it is to get a decision in Germany, when right here in the UK we have barmy verdicts like this one.

I could not believe the cheek of Froch when he point blank refused to go to Germany for the Abraham fight because "some strange decisions happen out there". And he seriously expected them to come here, even after the Dirrell fight...

We are now as bad as the Germans, IMO. And that's saddening.

:(

I can see Froch's beef though with the Sauerlands.... there was at least one ''resident'' judge on that night, who to make his scorecard look somewhat realistic gave Froch both the last two rounds to make it 9-3

As for Dirrell, you can't fight like a coward and then bleat about a robbery. I'm not into all this ''take it from the champion'' stuff, but he didn't deserve to win the fight.

A couple of years ago we were going through a phase where several away fighters were given the benefit of a close decision.... this year seems to be full of hometown calls and bullshit scorecards.

Slightly off topic I know, but on Skybet you can bet on split or majority decisions - well worth it for close-ish domestic title fights coming in, because the judges can't agree on anything at the minute.

A significant number of our officials are disgraceful, can't score a fight for toffee.... Ian John Lewis has had three shockers recently. Not stopping Klitschko vs Briggs, the Prizefighter farce and now this. Compared to the likes of Kenny Bayless, Raul Caiz and Steve Smoger.... our lot fall well short.

mickey1975 wrote:

nh1 wrote:Yes, another very poor decision.

Makes me laugh the way people always talk about how difficult it is to get a decision in Germany, when right here in the UK we have barmy verdicts like this one.

I could not believe the cheek of Froch when he point blank refused to go to Germany for the Abraham fight because "some strange decisions happen out there". And he seriously expected them to come here, even after the Dirrell fight...

The cheek? Froch was only trying to do what the other promoters in the super six were all doing for their boxers. I don't blame him for not going to Germany. How many champions have had one home fight out of (potentially) six?

And I agree with Leedslad - no way did Dirrell deserve to win.

MachoMan09 wrote:

princess wrote:I think the fault may lay with the board...

The BBBoC need to show some real strength and integrity and get a grip of this situation. Three judges for every fight and the willingness to dismiss incompetents is, in my view, a must. The Board are giving the impression that they are either weak, complicit or both.

`Too many dodgy things going on just lately No wonder some people think boxing is corrupt

princess wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:

princess wrote:I think the fault may lay with the board...

The BBBoC need to show some real strength and integrity and get a grip of this situation. Three judges for every fight and the willingness to dismiss incompetents is, in my view, a must. The Board are giving the impression that they are either weak, complicit or both.

`Too many dodgy things going on just lately No wonder some people think boxing is corrupt

And they'd be right to think that. It happens all over the world. Look at Shaw making sure the scorecards were filmed at the end of the Sylvester-Geale match to prevent any Sauerland shennanigans. The dodgy decision of Huck-Lebdev.The outrageous robberies in the states last year. Shuemenov-Campillo and Kotelnik-Alexander. I think it could get to the point where promoters are reasoning "Well they're sure as hell going to try and fornicate me and my fighter over, so I may as well do the same to them!" Recently there was a bit of a fuss over the officials for Ward-Abraham. Unfortunately it seems to becoming the norm and I wonder how long the fans will put up with it? What will it take for them to say "Sodit! I'll watch the footie instead"?

From a UK perspective, as an earlier poster suggested, one obvious change which would help would be to introduce 3 judges for non-title fights: there's less of a chance that 2 judges, or all 3, will come up with silly scores than just 1--and when a ref alone scores, 1 bad card is all you need for a robbery.

To take the recent example of Sylvester--Geale, the Danish judge was clearly seeing a different fight from the rest of us in awarding a 118-110 verdict to Sylvester, but the right man won on the other 2 cards, and so justice was done.

LeedsLad wrote:I can see Froch's beef though with the Sauerlands.... there was at least one ''resident'' judge on that night, who to make his scorecard look somewhat realistic gave Froch both the last two rounds to make it 9-3

As for Dirrell, you can't fight like a coward and then bleat about a robbery. I'm not into all this ''take it from the champion'' stuff, but he didn't deserve to win the fight.

A couple of years ago we were going through a phase where several away fighters were given the benefit of a close decision.... this year seems to be full of hometown calls and bullshit scorecards.

Slightly off topic I know, but on Skybet you can bet on split or majority decisions - well worth it for close-ish domestic title fights coming in, because the judges can't agree on anything at the minute.

A significant number of our officials are disgraceful, can't score a fight for toffee.... Ian John Lewis has had three shockers recently. Not stopping Klitschko vs Briggs, the Prizefighter farce and now this. Compared to the likes of Kenny Bayless, Raul Caiz and Steve Smoger.... our lot fall well short.

I can appreciate your point to an extent; but; championship boxing is a contest and not an exhibition. If a challenger doesn't want to get into it and work hard they shouldn't take the fight. Fannying about and looking to the ref, moaning and spoiling etc just doesn't do it for me. There's nothing wrong with a bit of commitment and graft to take a title. At least they should show that they want it; I've seen some who either don't fancy it or try to pox the fight.

I thought it was a terrible decision, but that the Board hung IJL out to dry a little with this one. He couldn't win. If he went Dallas, he would look biased, if he went Page he would have been slagged off by the locals in his and Dallas's area. It was absolutely unnecessary for the Board to appoint a referee from another Medway Town to officiate a Dallas fight, they laid IJL and themselves open to criticism by doing so.

Glyn Leach wrote:I thought it was a terrible decision, but that the Board hung IJL out to dry a little with this one. He couldn't win. If he went Dallas, he would look biased, if he went Page he would have been slagged off by the locals in his and Dallas's area. It was absolutely unnecessary for the Board to appoint a referee from another Medway Town to officiate a Dallas fight, they laid IJL and themselves open to criticism by doing so.

WTF wrong with the board these days Theres been so many cock ups just recently Its a old boys network Thought things would change under Robert Smith being a ex fighter and young But seems to be getting worse :(

mickey1975 wrote:I could not believe the cheek of Froch when he point blank refused to go to Germany for the Abraham fight because "some strange decisions happen out there". And he seriously expected them to come here, even after the Dirrell fight...

"even after the Dirrell fight" - yeah that british ref and those british judges really shafted Dirrell didnt they you muppet :-

Referee: Hector Afu judge: Alejandro Rochin Mapula judge: Massimo Barrovecchio judge: Daniel Van de Wiele

Froch wasn't going to Germany because of the disgraceful way Robin Reid was dealt with. And guess what, the ref in that fight judged Froch's fight and gave him a solitary round from the first ten, underling his concerns about Sauerland-friendly officials.

Even Showtime said it was a disgrace. And thus instilled American's for Helsinki.

Time for 3 judges to score every fight. This is becoming ridiculous and should have been done after Fury / Mc Dermott I. Yes, we got English title fights and eliminators with 3 judges for every fight but now it is time to extend it to all fights.