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idk if this has already been asked, but i was wondering where some of you would rank Ricardo "Finito" Lopez in an all time Pound for Pound raking.

I've never gone that deep in rankings. But I would guess somewhere from 150-200 for me. Great fighter without a great resume. Tough to rate.

#1, best fighter of my lifetime. You haters can all suck it

Top 5 in most underrated and overlooked fighter. When people name all the Mexican greats, they sometimes skip over Finito. Don't know why. The guy retired undefeated, he defended his title well over 20 times, just one hell of a fighting machine.

I always hear him mentioned. And he deserves mention, but all and all he is among the more overrated fighters I've come across. Gregorian had 17 defenses and Samson Dutch Boy Gym retired undefeated. Who you beat means more than stats like that in the watered down modern game.

I wish Finito would have moved up and faced Carbajal. There would be no questions then.

An excellent fighter no doubt, but there are too many variables with which to compare him to other more proven greats. That's actually the primary reason I don't put much stock into numerical rankings in the first place. It's better just to judge these men accordingly based on what you perceive to be their inherent worth as fighters. There will be a lot of dissenting opinions that way, sure, but it ain't like everyone's in agreement when lists are involved, either.

I'll say this about Lopez: He did the best he could with what he had. Sure, he faced primarily hapless opposition, but the Strawweight division is historically perhaps the weakest of them all. At least he wasn't the type to have off-nights and struggle more than he should've with those types. Never fought down to his opposition, either. Just went about his business as usual time in and time out. Always in impeccable condition as well. Definitely would've been nice to have seen him in with Carbajal and/or Gonzalez, though. I'd have favoured him, for what it's worth.

He's my favorite fighter of all time but he's not that high on the list as I'd want him to be but it's hard to dispute it. Technically, he's near flawless and txtbook as it can be but he lacks that career defining moment. Not exactly his fault but could have at least made an attempt to face Carbajal. He's somewhere in the 50-60 in my book but it's not that important anyways.

Greatest Mexican fighters:

1. Chavez
2. Sanchez
3. Lopez
4. Morales
5. Marquez ( Pending )
6. Olivares
7. Barrera
8. Zarate
9. Canto
10. Saldivar

FinitoElDinamita wrote:He's my favorite fighter of all time but he's not that high on the list as I'd want him to be but it's hard to dispute it. Technically, he's near flawless and txtbook as it can be but he lacks that career defining moment. Not exactly his fault but could have at least made an attempt to face Carbajal. He's somewhere in the 50-60 in my book but it's not that important anyways.

Greatest Mexican fighters:

1. Chavez
2. Sanchez
3. Lopez
4. Morales
5. Marquez ( Pending )
6. Olivares
7. Barrera
8. Zarate
9. Canto
10. Saldivar

Olivares number 6 below Lopez, Morales, and Marquez? WoW, all I can say is WOW!!! You either never seen EL Pua fight or you severely under-rate him.

My top five list looks like this:
1. Olivares
2. Chavez
3. Sanchez
4. Canto
5. Saldivar
6. Zarate
7. Morales
8. Barrera
9. and Lopez

Idisagree wrote:

FinitoElDinamita wrote:He's my favorite fighter of all time but he's not that high on the list as I'd want him to be but it's hard to dispute it. Technically, he's near flawless and txtbook as it can be but he lacks that career defining moment. Not exactly his fault but could have at least made an attempt to face Carbajal. He's somewhere in the 50-60 in my book but it's not that important anyways.

Greatest Mexican fighters:

1. Chavez
2. Sanchez
3. Lopez
4. Morales
5. Marquez ( Pending )
6. Olivares
7. Barrera
8. Zarate
9. Canto
10. Saldivar

Olivares number 6 below Lopez, Morales, and Marquez? WoW, all I can say is WOW!!! You either never seen EL Pua fight or you severely under-rate him.

My top five list looks like this:
1. Olivares
2. Chavez
3. Sanchez
4. Canto
5. Saldivar
6. Zarate
7. Morales
8. Barrera
9. and Lopez

^ some crazy list there but I respect your opinion,cuz, after all, it's all subjective anyway. lolz..

Olivares used to be the most beloved fighter of Mexico so I know all about him and there's no way he's more accomplished than those guys I mentioned. And we also have take the ability of each others into account and i dont see him in the leagues of Marquez/Morales in terms of skills..

Everyone on your list is more accomplished than Finito

Idisagree wrote:

FinitoElDinamita wrote:He's my favorite fighter of all time but he's not that high on the list as I'd want him to be but it's hard to dispute it. Technically, he's near flawless and txtbook as it can be but he lacks that career defining moment. Not exactly his fault but could have at least made an attempt to face Carbajal. He's somewhere in the 50-60 in my book but it's not that important anyways.

Greatest Mexican fighters:

1. Chavez
2. Sanchez
3. Lopez
4. Morales
5. Marquez ( Pending )
6. Olivares
7. Barrera
8. Zarate
9. Canto
10. Saldivar

Olivares number 6 below Lopez, Morales, and Marquez? WoW, all I can say is WOW!!! You either never seen EL Pua fight or you severely under-rate him.

My top five list looks like this:
1. Olivares
2. Chavez
3. Sanchez
4. Canto
5. Saldivar
6. Zarate
7. Morales
8. Barrera
9. and Lopez

I agree with Olivares as the best Mexican ever, all told. How in God's name he can be below Marquez & Morales is beyond my comprehension. It is nice to see a list, for once, which gives Saldivar his due as well.

Chavez's popularity & sentiment ruins any poll on the greatest Mexican ever.

As I stated, this is strictly subjective but Ive never seen Olivares as #1 on anybody's list until i came here. It would make more sense if this was the 80s..

The ranking between Olivares and FInito is debatable but the it has been unanimously decided at our league of extraordinary gentleman aka IvyLeague Boxing that Chavez is the best Mexican to ever lace em up followed by Sanchez at #2..

Olivares is #1 ?? wow

FinitoElDinamita wrote:As I stated, this is strictly subjective but Ive never seen Olivares as #1 on anybody's list until i came here. It would make more sense if this was the 80s..

The ranking between Olivares and FInito is debatable but the it has been unanimously decided at our league of extraordinary gentleman aka IvyLeague Boxing that Chavez is the best Mexican to ever lace em up followed by Sanchez at #2..

Olivares is #1 ?? wow

Lopez & Olivares isn't debatable at all.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

FinitoElDinamita wrote:As I stated, this is strictly subjective but Ive never seen Olivares as #1 on anybody's list until i came here. It would make more sense if this was the 80s..

The ranking between Olivares and FInito is debatable but the it has been unanimously decided at our league of extraordinary gentleman aka IvyLeague Boxing that Chavez is the best Mexican to ever lace em up followed by Sanchez at #2..

Olivares is #1 ?? wow

Lopez & Olivares isn't debatable at all.

It's hard to debate against someone who's undefeated. It's not always about the names on the resume but their overall abilty as a fighter and Olivares was simply not in Lopez' class. We have to rate a fighter based on what they did during their prime and who was available to them during that period and Lopez has beaten everyone that was available...
I would have loved to see him move up and face Carbajal just like anyone else but nobody can blame him really because they were in different divisions.. He's beaten everyone in his division and retired undefeated..

Lopez is a notch above Olivares.

Barrera and Olivares, now that's debatable.

FinitoElDinamita wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

FinitoElDinamita wrote:As I stated, this is strictly subjective but Ive never seen Olivares as #1 on anybody's list until i came here. It would make more sense if this was the 80s..

The ranking between Olivares and FInito is debatable but the it has been unanimously decided at our league of extraordinary gentleman aka IvyLeague Boxing that Chavez is the best Mexican to ever lace em up followed by Sanchez at #2..

Olivares is #1 ?? wow

Lopez & Olivares isn't debatable at all.

It's hard to debate against someone who's undefeated. It's not always about the names on the resume but their overall abilty as a fighter and Olivares was simply not in Lopez' class. We have to rate a fighter based on what they did during their prime and who was available to them during that period and Lopez has beaten everyone that was available...
I would have loved to see him move up and face Carbajal just like anyone else but nobody can blame him really because they were in different divisions.. He's beaten everyone in his division and retired undefeated..

Lopez is a notch above Olivares.

Barrera and Olivares, now that's debatable.

It isn't hard to debate against someone who is undefeated. Ike Williams was greater than Paul Spadafora. See? It's as easy as that.

You love Finito and that's fine. But on no planet in the galaxy did he do more inside the ropes than Olivares. Nor MAB for that matter. Your enthusiasm is apparent and that's great. But you come off as a young fan. If that's true, you will learn more as you go. Lopez was a tremendous talent, but he was a cut above Olivares? I hope that is just ignorance.

Beating everyone put in front of him makes him the greatest Straw ever. But you're speculating on what he could do against better competition. Could he beat a fighter the caliber of a Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales or Hamed? Maybe, but I know other guys you're dismissing can and they absolutely rate ahead of Ricardo on any sensible list of achievements.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

FinitoElDinamita wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Lopez & Olivares isn't debatable at all.

It's hard to debate against someone who's undefeated. It's not always about the names on the resume but their overall abilty as a fighter and Olivares was simply not in Lopez' class. We have to rate a fighter based on what they did during their prime and who was available to them during that period and Lopez has beaten everyone that was available...
I would have loved to see him move up and face Carbajal just like anyone else but nobody can blame him really because they were in different divisions.. He's beaten everyone in his division and retired undefeated..

Lopez is a notch above Olivares.

Barrera and Olivares, now that's debatable.

It isn't hard to debate against someone who is undefeated. Ike Williams was greater than Paul Spadafora. See? It's as easy as that.

You love Finito and that's fine. But on no planet in the galaxy did he do more inside the ropes than Olivares. Nor MAB for that matter. Your enthusiasm is apparent and that's great. But you come off as a young fan. If that's true, you will learn more as you go. Lopez was a tremendous talent, but he was a cut above Olivares? I hope that is just ignorance.

Beating everyone put in front of him makes him the greatest Straw ever. But you're speculating on what he could do against better competition. Could he beat a fighter the caliber of a Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales or Hamed? Maybe, but I know other guys you're dismissing can and they absolutely rate ahead of Ricardo on any sensible list of achievements.

Young fan?? lol not at all..

Tell me, so do you put Olivares at #1?

Yup, there are a crop of guys at the top though. Lopez isn't one of them. He definitely isn't in my top 10.

Where is baby Arizmendi on your list? He is often left off and clearly belongs in any top 10 worth making. His big wins are better than the two fighters in your user name combined.

BarryWashington wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Idisagree wrote: Olivares number 6 below Lopez, Morales, and Marquez? WoW, all I can say is WOW!!! You either never seen EL Pua fight or you severely under-rate him.

My top five list looks like this:
1. Olivares
2. Chavez
3. Sanchez
4. Canto
5. Saldivar
6. Zarate
7. Morales
8. Barrera
9. and Lopez

I agree with Olivares as the best Mexican ever, all told. How in God's name he can be below Marquez & Morales is beyond my comprehension. It is nice to see a list, for once, which gives Saldivar his due as well.

saldivar was great during his hey day. and i cant see how olivares isnt the consensus #1 ranked mexican of all-time.

Im sure you will join me in shaking your head at Chuchos absence.

Well Done.

BarryWashington wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

BarryWashington wrote: saldivar was great during his hey day. and i cant see how olivares isnt the consensus #1 ranked mexican of all-time.

Im sure you will join me in shaking your head at Chuchos absence.

chucho was dirty but i also agree with saad how heavily slept on baby arizmendi was! he put up a very solid career.

Well beyond solid, he was great. I wouldn't laugh if someone had him as the greatest Mexican of them all.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch.

Hank Armstrong x2
Newsboy Brown x2
Eddie Shea x2
Chalky Wright x2
Speedy dado x2
Archie Bell x2
Fidel laBarba
Freddie Miller
Tommy Paul
Young Tommy
Mike Belloise

And draws with Angott & Ambers

That doesn't even take into account some of his close losses. Dude accomplished a lot.

Saldivar was the greatest Mexican champion of all time, in my opinion. Fought as good or better opposition as any of them while showing a consistent dominance that rivaled any of his fellow Mexicans. That Featherweight era was one of the strongest ever in my view, and for Saldivar to show that kind of dominance over such a class speaks volumes.

somewhere from 30-50.. Not bad, we are talking of All-time here.