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According to fightnews, Lebedev's trainer Kostya Tszyu stated that they would be coming for Danny Green next. Lebedev would be by far the best cruiserweight Green has fought, and he would also be the strongest fighter Green has fought at any weight. Lebedev only fights one way--coming forward, while Green showed in his last bout that he has boxing skills in addition to the ability the slug it out.

What are your thoughts on this fight? In my opinion few better matches can be made at CW, and this is certainly a better fight than Tarver-Green or Flores-Green. I would lean towards Lebedev winning, but it could go either way.

Here is an article from BS about the potential matchup. Most people thought Lebedev should have received the decision against Marco Huck, who is arguably the #1 fighter at cruiserweight. A win over Lebedev would do wonders in helping Green's cruiserweight campaign gain legitimacy in the eye's of the people who have been critical of it.

http://www.BS.com/lebedev-targ ... ner--39426

any top cw would be good at this rate

Wow what a fight that would be, and with Kostya as his trainer it seems more likely,and of course Kostya lives here.

It would be a huge testimony to Greens run since his comeback and with all honsety his most dangerous fight in his career, Lebedev is a beast, and as most have already stated, his 1 loss is suspect.

Big deal. It took Lebedev ten rounds to catch Jones. Green stopped Roy in the first.

To top everything off 46 year old Bernard Hopkins beat Pascal.

Brute wrote:Big deal. It took Lebedev ten rounds to catch Jones. Green stopped Roy in the first.

To top everything off 46 year old Bernard Hopkins beat Pascal.

After watching Lebedev Roy Jones I really don't think the Russian is as good as he was built up to. His performance was no where near as class as wha Danny Green can perform to.

ausboxing wrote:

Brute wrote:Big deal. It took Lebedev ten rounds to catch Jones. Green stopped Roy in the first.

To top everything off 46 year old Bernard Hopkins beat Pascal.

After watching Lebedev Roy Jones I really don't think the Russian is as good as he was built up to. His performance was no where near as class as wha Danny Green can perform to.

Lebedev was also down on 1 of the cards going into the final round, Scores for Lebedev.
Daniel Van de Wiele 87-84 | judge: Keith Hughes 85-86 | judge: Evgeny Gorstkov 90-81.

No doubt Gorstkov is Russian

Hounddawg wrote:

ausboxing wrote:

Brute wrote:Big deal. It took Lebedev ten rounds to catch Jones. Green stopped Roy in the first.

To top everything off 46 year old Bernard Hopkins beat Pascal.

After watching Lebedev Roy Jones I really don't think the Russian is as good as he was built up to. His performance was no where near as class as wha Danny Green can perform to.

Lebedev was also down on 1 of the cards going into the final round, Scores for Lebedev.
Daniel Van de Wiele 87-84 | judge: Keith Hughes 85-86 | judge: Evgeny Gorstkov 90-81.

No doubt Gorstkov is Russian

Was the punch by Jones that knocked Lebedev against the ropes in round 12 counted as a knockdown?

Brute wrote:Big deal. It took Lebedev ten rounds to catch Jones. Green stopped Roy in the first.

To top everything off 46 year old Bernard Hopkins beat Pascal.

and Hopkins didn't even knock out Jones out all..

The fact that one fighter stopped a common opponent faster than another fighter did doesn't always mean a lot (think of Ali-Foreman and their respective results against Joe Frazier). Green-Lebedev would still be a great matchup in my opinion and I can't think of too many more enticing CW fights for Green at the moment. I don't know why someone would have a problem with Green fighting top 3 cruiserweights.

ausboxing wrote:

Hounddawg wrote:

ausboxing wrote: After watching Lebedev Roy Jones I really don't think the Russian is as good as he was built up to. His performance was no where near as class as wha Danny Green can perform to.

Lebedev was also down on 1 of the cards going into the final round, Scores for Lebedev.
Daniel Van de Wiele 87-84 | judge: Keith Hughes 85-86 | judge: Evgeny Gorstkov 90-81.

No doubt Gorstkov is Russian

Was the punch by Jones that knocked Lebedev against the ropes in round 12 counted as a knockdown?

It was a ten round fight, and no, it was not counted as Lebedev didn't go down.

The 90-81 card was out of line, but I think 86-85 Jones was off as well. In terms of rounds I thought 7-2 or 6-3 Lebedev were the most accurate scores.

crusader wrote:According to fightnews, Lebedev's trainer Kostya Tszyu stated that they would be coming for Danny Green next. Lebedev would be by far the best cruiserweight Green has fought, and he would also be the strongest fighter Green has fought at any weight. Lebedev only fights one way--coming forward, while Green showed in his last bout that he has boxing skills in addition to the ability the slug it out.

What are your thoughts on this fight? In my opinion few better matches can be made at CW, and this is certainly a better fight than Tarver-Green or Flores-Green. I would lean towards Lebedev winning, but it could go either way.

Green needs to beat Tarver first. Lebedev is very flat footed, I watched highlights and he wasn't really impressive.
Tarver is a far tougher challenge in my opinion.

I watched the Lebedev v Jones and didnt really see what the fuss was with Lebedev.Kostya made the commenst at the end of the fight. If it happens I see Green stopping Lebedev inside 6 rounds. He doesnt move and really doesnt throw many punches. interesting to see the score cards in the Jones/Lebedev fight. I thought it was very close when it was stopped. The punch landed by Jones could easily have been scored a knock down as the ropes were the only thing that saved lebedev from going down. Hindsight is a great thing, but with a standing 8 and time for jones to have a breather who knows what would have happend in the fight. Sickening KO though and I thought Smoger let in go 1 punch too many.

Lebedev should fight Flores first. Flores is the only fighter to go the distance with Green in the last five years and would be a good test for Lebedev.

No sure if Green would stop Lebedev if they fought. Lebedev looks hard as nails. It would be an intriguing match up but the Tarver fight is next for Green and it aint a gimme.

Brute wrote:Lebedev should fight Flores first. Flores is the only fighter to go the distance with Green in the last five years and would be a good test for Lebedev.

Lebedev has already fought a couple guys who were ranked higher than Flores. He destroyed Alexeev in two rounds and most people thought he beat Marco Huck, who as I've mentioned is fighter often recognized as the best CW in the world. I think Lebedev has been tested enough, but if he wants another bout before fighting the Tarver-Green winner Flores would be an option.

Beating somebody rated above another fighter is one thing. beating him is another. Green has so far been the only champion with the cojones to fight Flores.
Boxrec ranks Flores above Alexeev.

Brute wrote:Beating somebody rated above another fighter is one thing. beating him is another. Green has so far been the only champion with the cojones to fight Flores.
Boxrec ranks Flores above Alexeev.

Flores was given an opportunity to fight Adamek for the IBF and Ring magazine titles, but he turned that opportunity down. Flores has defeated only one fighter who was consensus top ten at the time (Wilson), so I don't think too many top fighters are afraid of him. What has he done that would make them afraid?

The only reason BoxRec ranks Flores higher than Alexeev at this moment is because Flores went the distance with Green, while Alexeev was knocked out in two by Lebedev. A fighter loses more points for losing by KO than they do for losing by decision, and the earlier the KO occurs the more points they lose. Going into each respective bout Alexeev was ranked higher than Flores was.

If we are going to use BoxRec ranking as the basis for a fighter's merit then I will point out that Lebedev is ranked nine spots higher than Flores. In addition, Lebedev has already defeated and been highly competitive with better opponents than Flores has. I therefore don't see why Lebedev needs to "test" himself against Flores prior to a possible Green fight. I understand that over the last five years Flores has been the only fighter to go the distance with Green, but that is more of a testament to Green’s opposition than Flores' ability.

According to BoxRec, Green and Lebedev are ranked third and fourth respectively. If Green beats Tarver, a fight with Lebedev makes a lot of sense for all parties. For Green it would represent another step up, and it would silence the critics who say that he hasn't been fighting the best cruiserweights. I love it when two of the top fighters in a division square off. It's good for the fans and boxing in general.

My commenst re Green stopping Denis inside 6 rounds is probably a bit misinformed as I am only judging it on Denis' performance against Jones. Styles make fights and I think it would be a toe to toe battle until it ended. Thats said, as a few have already stated, Green has a huge test coming up in July.Hopefully we will still be talking about Green v lebedev after July 20.

amwsnw wrote:My commenst re Green stopping Denis inside 6 rounds is probably a bit misinformed as I am only judging it on Denis' performance against Jones. Styles make fights and I think it would be a toe to toe battle until it ended. Thats said, as a few have already stated, Green has a huge test coming up in July.Hopefully we will still be talking about Green v lebedev after July 20.

I'm pretty confident Green will beat Tarver (although maybe I shouldn't be). I just don't think Tarver has enough at this stage to overcome Green. I think it will be competitive, but I see Green winning a clear decision. Then again, I also thought James Degale would convincingly beat George Groves

IMO Green-Lebedev (probably my current "dream fight" at cruiserweight) would be a much better fight than Tarver-Lebedev, so I'm really hoping Green pulls through against Tarver.

crusader wrote:

Brute wrote:Beating somebody rated above another fighter is one thing. beating him is another. Green has so far been the only champion with the cojones to fight Flores.
Boxrec ranks Flores above Alexeev.

Flores was given an opportunity to fight Adamek for the IBF and Ring magazine titles, but he turned that opportunity down. Flores has defeated only one fighter who was consensus top ten at the time (Wilson), so I don't think too many top fighters are afraid of him. What has he done that would make them afraid?

The only reason BoxRec ranks Flores higher than Alexeev at this moment is because Flores went the distance with Green, while Alexeev was knocked out in two by Lebedev. A fighter loses more points for losing by KO than they do for losing by decision, and the earlier the KO occurs the more points they lose. Going into each respective bout Alexeev was ranked higher than Flores was.

If we are going to use BoxRec ranking as the basis for a fighter's merit then I will point out that Lebedev is ranked nine spots higher than Flores. In addition, Lebedev has already defeated and been highly competitive with better opponents than Flores has. I therefore don't see why Lebedev needs to "test" himself against Flores prior to a possible Green fight. I understand that over the last five years Flores has been the only fighter to go the distance with Green, but that is more of a testament to Green’s opposition than Flores' ability.

According to BoxRec, Green and Lebedev are ranked third and fourth respectively. If Green beats Tarver, a fight with Lebedev makes a lot of sense for all parties. For Green it would represent another step up, and it would silence the critics who say that he hasn't been fighting the best cruiserweights. I love it when two of the top fighters in a division square off. It's good for the fans and boxing in general.

with the exception of his last five or six fights lebedevs opposition has been utter shite. and flores turned down the adamek fight because they offerd him $25000 total which he thought was a bit shit considering what most people would get for a title fight, (according to flores anyway)

I'd say that Lebedev's last seven opponents have generally been good. Those opponents were a reigning world champ who is arguably the top guy in the division (Huck), two former champs (Jones and Enzo), three contenders (Alexeev, Ismailov, and Castilo), and a Julio Cesar Dominguez type (Esparza). Aside from Huck, Lebedev stopped all of these fighters. Of course not every name on a fighter's record is going to be great, but that is to be expected, as most fighters run through low level competition during the incipient stages of their careers. I hardly see why they should be criticized for that, especially when they have clearly taken on better opponents as their career has progressed.

There is good reason why BoxRec and every major boxing publication have Lebedev ranked ahead of Flores, and I simply don't see why Lebedev would need to "test" himself against Flores when the Russian has already fought a top world champ. There was generally a positive reaction when Flores was announced as a Green opponent, so I'm very surprised that the reaction to a consensus top 5 CW being in the mix seems to be more negative.

As for Flores-Adamek, Flores keeps changing his tune on that one. At the time the fight was ruled out Flores said it was because he needed a tune up before facing Adamek; monetary issues weren't the problem. Now he is saying that it was a money issue. Either way, I certainly don't think any of the champs are scared of him. A title eliminator between Flores and Yoan Pablo Hernandez was going to purse bids before Flores pulled out to fight Green, so that's another champ who was willing to face Flores. What has Flores done that would scare off major title holders who have being willing to fight against respected challengers?

Anyway, this will all mean nothing if Green can't get by Tarver, but Lededev-Green is a fight that really appeals to me, so I'm hoping it comes off at some point.

crusader wrote:I'd say that Lebedev's last seven opponents have generally been good. Those opponents were a reigning world champ who is arguably the top guy in the division (Huck), two former champs (Jones and Enzo), three contenders (Alexeev, Ismailov, and Castilo), and a Julio Cesar Dominguez type (Esparza). Aside from Huck, Lebedev stopped all of these fighters. Of course not every name on a fighter's record is going to be great, but that is to be expected, as most fighters run through low level competition during the incipient stages of their careers. I hardly see why they should be criticized for that, especially when they have clearly taken on better opponents as their career has progressed.

There is good reason why BoxRec and every major boxing publication have Lebedev ranked ahead of Flores, and I simply don't see why Lebedev would need to "test" himself against Flores when the Russian has already fought a top world champ. There was generally a positive reaction when Flores was announced as a Green opponent, so I'm very surprised that the reaction to a consensus top 5 CW being in the mix seems to be more negative.

As for Flores-Adamek, Flores keeps changing his tune on that one. At the time the fight was ruled out Flores said it was because he needed a tune up before facing Adamek; monetary issues weren't the problem. Now he is saying that it was a money issue. Either way, I certainly don't think any of the champs are scared of him. A title eliminator between Flores and Yoan Pablo Hernandez was going to purse bids before Flores pulled out to fight Green, so that's another champ who was willing to face Flores. What has Flores done that would scare off major title holders who have being willing to fight against respected challengers?

Anyway, this will all mean nothing if Green can't get by Tarver, but Lededev-Green is a fight that really appeals to me, so I'm hoping it comes off at some point.

yeah your right mate green has to get through tarver first. i think he will.
i would love to see lebedev v green too but would rather see green fight gilmero (no the spellings wrong) jones and take his belt because i doubt that saurerland and gm productions will ever be able to put a deal together. lebedev and green would be a great fight but not the top of my list.

sorry, but it took this guy far too long to ko jones, who was happy to be a target. he should have been able to get jones on the canvas much earlier imo.

a good effort vs huck, but the rest of his opponents have achieved nothing and he beat enzo who was ready to be taken after his 2 recent ko losses.

he has plenty of ability, but i still don't see him being able to beat green, though it could be a bout to make some good money.

buster007 wrote:sorry, but it took this guy far too long to ko jones, who was happy to be a target. he should have been able to get jones on the canvas much earlier imo.

i think to be fair though the jones that showed up in moscow looked a lot more motivated than the one in sydney , also he looked huge in comparrison,

he looked out of shape imo.