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Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 25 May 2011, 07:42
by Scottrf
A feature in this months Boxing Monthly has experts ranking the chances of 4 of Britain's boxers in their upcoming world title fights, all away from home.

Pick your winners, percentage splits and methods.

Carl Froch vs Glen Johnson. 4th June, Atlantic City, USA.
80:20


Enough has been said about Froch's run of fights so I wont go into too much detail except to say I think each has taught him something different, which he can use in this fight. To keep his head and box to a gameplan (Abraham), to stay busy if he wants a decision (Kessler), the confidence to not lose his head if he goes behind (Taylor) and changing a brawl into a boxing match (Pascal).

Another impressive victory for Johnson against Green, but someone who is a level or two below the top guys of the tournament. Glen comes to fight and is durable, but has shown he is able to be outboxed by most of his better opposition, if never easily. He will try and make it into a shootout and work his way inside, but Froch can box at range and use his jab and reach to build points, while waiting for his opportunity to throw combinations.

Froch decision.

David Haye vs Wladimir Klitchsko. 2nd July, Hamburg, Germany.
40:60


Klitschko's main asset will be his jab. Haye knows this so his strategy will focus on taking his jab away. I think his strategy will revolve around feints/threats to make Wlad think he is about to unload, draw the jab and slip it to get inside to land his powershots. This will make it a very cagey opening to the fight, as Haye's often are (and Wlad's almost always are) when he is fearful of the other guy's power; Enzo, Harrison etc. The fight centres around range control. Klitschko controls distance well with a powerful jab and large reach, with short shots inside (usually the overhand right) to punish you if you rush in carelessly, or clinching.

This clinching may be a large part of Wlad's gameplan. As the larger man he may try to wear Haye down by holding, as Haye's stamina is questioned, rightly or wrongly after gassing against Thompson so long ago. His fights have rarely gone far so it's hard to assess whether his stamina has improved. I can't see this being too important; Haye landed so many powershots against Thompson it was a miracle he was standing. The lateral movement will tire him but he will be in condition and wont have an effect unless he gets caught too often.

It's highly likely there will be a knockdown; body have questionable resistance and good power. Make no mistake, Haye has Heavyweight power, Ruiz has rarely been down in his career and Haye put him on his bum moving backward, and even staggered man mountain Valuev. However, Haye has shown me he is better able to cope with adversity. Against Mormeck he got tagged, but sensibly took a knee and regained his composure. Against Barrett he started sloppy and was put down but got back up to win. Contrast to Wlad who doesn't seem able to clear his head after getting knocked down, and Haye is the better finisher.

A jab is a lot more effective against a static target, as so many of Wladimir's opponents have been. But if Haye gets caught, you can expect the sledgehammer of a straight right following it. The fight will be more open than the bigger guy would like, and I can see him in trouble at times. But I can see his power making Haye wary enough that the opportunities aren't regular enough for Haye to earn a decision, and pick Wlad to be standing at the final bell. Seems intuitive that there will be a knockout with each guy having power and a suspect chin, but have been toying with the decision too. (As a side note, everyone who has been on the cover of Fight Night has lost their next fight).

Klitchsko late stoppage.

Ryan Rhodes vs Saul Alvarez. 18th June, Guadalajara, Mexico.
35:65.

Seems a tough ask, away in Mexico against Goldenboy's Goldenboy. Alvarez had a fairly comfortable win last time out against Matthew Hatton in a peashooter vs cannon contest, but one in which his was outboxed for large periods, and only seemed to fight one minute of each round. A big knockout of Baldomir proved he does have some power, and his questionable defence has shown his chin to be good. Not the most rounded boxer, but makes good use of his physicality and is a good bodypuncher. Ryan's fight against Messi had people thinking he may be back to his best, but I believe was slightly overrated against a solid but not exactly dangerous opponent. Ryan had a quick blow out against Rocky Junior last time out (didn't catch it), but 2 rounds in a year has me wondering if he may suffer from ring rust, against an active boxer with 36 rounds under his belt in the same time.

Should be a exciting fight, you don't have to look for either so it should be a tear up from the start. I expect Ryan to have success in the same way Hatton did, but without the size advantage Canelo enjoyed his punches wont have the same effect and he will have to be more wary of the return fire. Alvarez to up his activity from that bout and fight full rounds to a 2-4 round points win in a competitive fight, in which I wouldn't be surprised if he suffers a knockdown.

Alvarez decision.

Matthew Macklin vs Felix Sturm. 25th June, Cologne, Germany.
20:80.


Macklin is a inconsistent performer, and laboured to a win last time out against a common opponent outboxed easily by the German. Macklin seems easy to catch and while durable I don't see him having the skills to trouble Sturm. Coming after a fight at the Magnificent 7 where he failed to impress, I'm not convinced either of his form leading up to his biggest fight. With so many trainers, he seems to lack consistency.

Sturm isn't the most exciting but is dependable. He may be a stay at home boxer, but he has faced the better standard of opposition, and won more impressively. With home advantage, I see little chance of Sturm losing. Behind the jab, and with a tight defence I think he can keep Macklin off him and rack up points.

Sturm decision.

TLDR: Froch wins, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin lose. Make your picks.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 25 May 2011, 07:49
by whiskey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xNoXYgi7o4

This always makes me doubt Klit.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 25 May 2011, 08:02
by JC
G0mez wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xNoXYgi7o4

This always makes me doubt Klit.
I'm always amazed how big sanders looks in this fight then you consider the height and weight difference between him and Klitschko. For a 6' 4" flabby dude he must have very big dimensions (or whatever the correct term is).

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 25 May 2011, 08:03
by aspinall80
I think Haye has a great chance to beat the admittedly weaker brother. I also think Froch will win if he keeps his focus and doesn't think about upcoming fights. Not too sure that the other two have what it takes though.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 25 May 2011, 08:39
by alexpaterson
All four have a great chance IMO. Rhodes' probably has the toughest ask, I see him giving it a great go giving Alvarez a lot of problems early but eventually wearing down and getting stopped around 9. Haye I'm still undecided about this fight, it's fascinating every time I think about it I get a different opinion! I expect Froch to be too strong, fresh and hold to high a workrate for Glenn though I think it'll be a hard fought, competitive decision. Macklin has a really toughie in Germany, I don't rate Sturm that highly and think if Macklin brings his A-Game and gets his defence and offensive perfect then I think he could do a job on a ring rusty and slightly past it Felix Sturm, if Macklin fights like he did in his last fight then sturm should dominate with his jab and bring the right across all night long! I can see Britian going 2-2 but wouldn't be surprised 3-1 either way!

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 25 May 2011, 19:22
by Terrrrry
Froch is truly world class. He'll win.

Haye, for me, will stop Wlad somewhere in the mid to late rounds.

Rhodes will come up short against Canelo and probably get stopped.

Macklin is far from world class and will be on the wrong side of a UD.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 25 May 2011, 19:43
by NazNaci1
Terrrrry wrote:Froch is truly world class. He'll win.

Haye, for me, will stop Wlad somewhere in the mid to late rounds.

Rhodes will come up short against Canelo and probably get stopped.

Macklin is far from world class and will be on the wrong side of a UD.
x2

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 25 May 2011, 23:25
by Deserter
Scottrf wrote:A feature in this months Boxing Monthly has experts ranking the chances of 4 of Britain's boxers in their upcoming world title fights, all away from home.

Pick your winners, percentage splits and methods.

Carl Froch vs Glen Johnson. 4th June, Atlantic City, USA.
80:20


Enough has been said about Froch's run of fights so I wont go into too much detail except to say I think each has taught him something different, which he can use in this fight. To keep his head and box to a gameplan (Abraham), to stay busy if he wants a decision (Kessler), the confidence to not lose his head if he goes behind (Taylor) and changing a brawl into a boxing match (Pascal).

Another impressive victory for Johnson against Green, but someone who is a level or two below the top guys of the tournament. Glen comes to fight and is durable, but has shown he is able to be outboxed by most of his better opposition, if never easily. He will try and make it into a shootout and work his way inside, but Froch can box at range and use his jab and reach to build points, while waiting for his opportunity to throw combinations.

Froch decision.

David Haye vs Wladimir Klitchsko. 2nd July, Hamburg, Germany.
40:60


Klitschko's main asset will be his jab. Haye knows this so his strategy will focus on taking his jab away. I think his strategy will revolve around feints/threats to make Wlad think he is about to unload, draw the jab and slip it to get inside to land his powershots. This will make it a very cagey opening to the fight, as Haye's often are (and Wlad's almost always are) when he is fearful of the other guy's power; Enzo, Harrison etc. The fight centres around range control. Klitschko controls distance well with a powerful jab and large reach, with short shots inside (usually the overhand right) to punish you if you rush in carelessly, or clinching.

This clinching may be a large part of Wlad's gameplan. As the larger man he may try to wear Haye down by holding, as Haye's stamina is questioned, rightly or wrongly after gassing against Thompson so long ago. His fights have rarely gone far so it's hard to assess whether his stamina has improved. I can't see this being too important; Haye landed so many powershots against Thompson it was a miracle he was standing. The lateral movement will tire him but he will be in condition and wont have an effect unless he gets caught too often.

It's highly likely there will be a knockdown; body have questionable resistance and good power. Make no mistake, Haye has Heavyweight power, Ruiz has rarely been down in his career and Haye put him on his bum moving backward, and even staggered man mountain Valuev. However, Haye has shown me he is better able to cope with adversity. Against Mormeck he got tagged, but sensibly took a knee and regained his composure. Against Barrett he started sloppy and was put down but got back up to win. Contrast to Wlad who doesn't seem able to clear his head after getting knocked down, and Haye is the better finisher.

A jab is a lot more effective against a static target, as so many of Wladimir's opponents have been. But if Haye gets caught, you can expect the sledgehammer of a straight right following it. The fight will be more open than the bigger guy would like, and I can see him in trouble at times. But I can see his power making Haye wary enough that the opportunities aren't regular enough for Haye to earn a decision, and pick Wlad to be standing at the final bell. Seems intuitive that there will be a knockout with each guy having power and a suspect chin, but have been toying with the decision too. (As a side note, everyone who has been on the cover of Fight Night has lost their next fight).

Klitchsko late stoppage.

Ryan Rhodes vs Saul Alvarez. 18th June, Guadalajara, Mexico.
35:65.

Seems a tough ask, away in Mexico against Goldenboy's Goldenboy. Alvarez had a fairly comfortable win last time out against Matthew Hatton in a peashooter vs cannon contest, but one in which his was outboxed for large periods, and only seemed to fight one minute of each round. A big knockout of Baldomir proved he does have some power, and his questionable defence has shown his chin to be good. Not the most rounded boxer, but makes good use of his physicality and is a good bodypuncher. Ryan's fight against Messi had people thinking he may be back to his best, but I believe was slightly overrated against a solid but not exactly dangerous opponent. Ryan had a quick blow out against Rocky Junior last time out (didn't catch it), but 2 rounds in a year has me wondering if he may suffer from ring rust, against an active boxer with 36 rounds under his belt in the same time.

Should be a exciting fight, you don't have to look for either so it should be a tear up from the start. I expect Ryan to have success in the same way Hatton did, but without the size advantage Canelo enjoyed his punches wont have the same effect and he will have to be more wary of the return fire. Alvarez to up his activity from that bout and fight full rounds to a 2-4 round points win in a competitive fight, in which I wouldn't be surprised if he suffers a knockdown.

Alvarez decision.

Matthew Macklin vs Felix Sturm. 25th June, Cologne, Germany.
20:80.


Macklin is a inconsistent performer, and laboured to a win last time out against a common opponent outboxed easily by the German. Macklin seems easy to catch and while durable I don't see him having the skills to trouble Sturm. Coming after a fight at the Magnificent 7 where he failed to impress, I'm not convinced either of his form leading up to his biggest fight. With so many trainers, he seems to lack consistency.

Sturm isn't the most exciting but is dependable. He may be a stay at home boxer, but he has faced the better standard of opposition, and won more impressively. With home advantage, I see little chance of Sturm losing. Behind the jab, and with a tight defence I think he can keep Macklin off him and rack up points.

Sturm decision.

TLDR: Froch wins, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin lose. Make your picks.
Great summary and agree completely with each outcome. The one I've got least confidence in predicting is Haye versus Klit though as there are so many variables at play.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 26 May 2011, 01:08
by horndawg80
Great post!

(1) The safe and easy money is on FROCH although the odds are rubbish. I think a FROCH win is 3/1 on so no value there. I do expect FROCH to finally send this old war horse into retirement. FROCH will finish him between 8-12 rounds. I am so convinced he will win inside the distance I'm going to stick fifty notes on it.

(2) There is no doubt in my mind HAYE finishes KLIT within 3 rounds. In fact I will be sticking another fifty notes on HAYE finishing the job within 3 rounds.

(3) I think RHODES will get stopped in the mid to late rounds. I can't see this one going the distance. ALVAREZ is far too good and is the next big thing. No shame in a defeat against the next DE LA HOYA

(4) MACKLIN may pull off a surprise but I can't see it. STURM will jab his head off to a one-sided UD. I can this one being a right snooze fest.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 26 May 2011, 05:30
by horndawg80
ha-ha I know where you are coming from! I know Johnson is one tough son of a bee-arch but this guy is 42(no one is allowed to quote me Hopkins), he can't go on forever and has been in far too many 12 round battles. I really fancy Froch to put him away and to do it in style. I remember sticking £40 on Froch to TKO / KO Jermain Taylor. I was bouncing around the living room and the missus was telling me to shut the eff up! ha-ha

As for Cloud, he is about 5'10 and looks really defined bordering on skinny. I honestly don't know where he sticks all his weight. He must have decent sized legs and not the standard chicken legs top heavy boxers have! Saying that, I did watch him against Clinton Woods in the US and he did look good that night. I think Woods was on his way out though.......

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 26 May 2011, 06:38
by Chambers2
Froch UD
Haye KO
Alvarez UD
Sturm UD

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 26 May 2011, 16:17
by ourkid1984
Might seem like a bit of a shock to some people but I think.... All Brits can win except Macklin.

Froch should beat Johnson by being quicker and better skilled

Haye has the power to beat Wlad and the speed to not get hit.

Alvarez struggled to be powerful enough to stop Matty Hatton, Rhodes is genuine Light middle and a big LM at that so although he may lose on points he has a chance with his unorthadox style and hard punches.

Macklin will struggle to get past Sturms height and reach advantage and his accuracy and even if he does will he have the strength and skills to beat Sturm? I don't think so.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 26 May 2011, 16:48
by Dan Dares
I reckon there might be a shock somewhere. I'd say Froch wins on points, and I can't call the Haye/Wlad fight at all (only what I want to happen), but i reckon maybe old git rhodes might conjur something up against alvarez. Hope so anyways.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 26 May 2011, 21:38
by diddy
Dan Dares wrote:I reckon there might be a shock somewhere. I'd say Froch wins on points, and I can't call the Haye/Wlad fight at all (only what I want to happen), but i reckon maybe old git rhodes might conjur something up against alvarez. Hope so anyways.
You have to be borderline retarded to bet on someone to stop Glen Johnson ITD. Seriously, keep that money in your pocket. It's a donation. You bet with your head, not your heart. Froch by decision.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 26 May 2011, 21:42
by diddy
UK goes 1-3 here.

Rhodes has basically no chance and Macklin needs a KO before the fight even starts.

Hard to pick against Wlad, unless you're a Brit, and I am not so I will use my brain.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 26 May 2011, 22:29
by horndawg80
[/quote]You have to be borderline retarded to bet on someone to stop Glen Johnson ITD. Seriously, keep that money in your pocket. It's a donation. You bet with your head, not your heart. Froch by decision.[/quote]

Last time I checked I wasn't borderline retarded. What does ITD stand for?

Johnson has been stopped before by B-Hop so it is not out of the question! I think old man Johnson will be eating one too many of Froch's lethal uppercuts.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 26 May 2011, 22:41
by diddy
ITD- inside distance.

So Johnson got stopped 15 yrs ago by one of the best fighters of all time so that means Froch will do what Tarver couldn't do in 2 fights, nor Roy Jones when he was
still decent, nor Dawson twice, nor Woods, nor Cloud? You aren't being rational. Keep that money in your pocket. Johnson hasn't been hurt in a fight
since 1997 and Froch is NOT Prime Hopkins. By the way, Hopkins wasn't
going to knock Glen out. Hopkins was
way ahead in the fight and the ref pulled him out. He wasn't about to
drop him. YouTube it. Johnson was very green
then. Back then he was losing to bums.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 27 May 2011, 00:20
by crusader
Froch wins (confident pick)
Macklin loses (confident pick)
Rhodes loses (relatively confident pick--Imo Rhodes is overrated on these forums)
Haye wins (not confident at all but as a Wlad fan I have an unpleasant feeling about this one)

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 27 May 2011, 05:43
by big lennox
For me it's:

Froch by UD ( Johnson is as tough as old boots and will survive the course)
Haye by KO (I can't see Wlad taking Haye's speed and power)
Rhodes by KO (I think Alvarez will be aggressive enough to walk into shots, and Ryan is underestimated by many)
Sturm by UD (I think Macklin marks up easy and will be eating jabs all night long.I hope I am wrong though)

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 27 May 2011, 06:21
by mickey1975
Wlad, Alvarez, Froch, Sturm. And i would take 1-2 all day long on Sturm.

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 27 May 2011, 07:38
by horndawg80
I hear what you are saying about Johnson and I have watched that clip with Hopkins numerous times before but I just feel Froch will stop him! I stand to be verbally abused come June 5th! :bag:

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 27 May 2011, 13:30
by wesley05
Haye wins by early ko
Froch wins by points
Rhodes wins by early ko
Macklin wins on points 4 out of 4 for the British boys

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 27 May 2011, 13:48
by Dan Dares
diddy wrote:
Dan Dares wrote:I reckon there might be a shock somewhere. I'd say Froch wins on points, and I can't call the Haye/Wlad fight at all (only what I want to happen), but i reckon maybe old git rhodes might conjur something up against alvarez. Hope so anyways.
You have to be borderline retarded to bet on someone to stop Glen Johnson ITD. Seriously, keep that money in your pocket. It's a donation. You bet with your head, not your heart. Froch by decision.
eh?

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 27 May 2011, 13:53
by subsy
Terrrrry wrote:Froch is truly world class. He'll win.

Haye, for me, will stop Wlad somewhere in the mid to late rounds.

Rhodes will come up short against Canelo and probably get stopped.

Macklin is far from world class and will be on the wrong side of a UD.
This

Re: Brits Abroad: Froch, Haye, Rhodes and Macklin.

Posted: 27 May 2011, 17:56
by diddy
wesley05 wrote:Haye wins by early ko
Froch wins by points
Rhodes wins by early ko
Macklin wins on points 4 out of 4 for the British boys
Macklin decisions Sturm in Germany?
:KO: