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Whatever you think of toe-gate, it wouldn't make fight Wladimir Klitschko any easier. I think the strategy was to knock Wladimir out and it failed.

I honestly think Haye did the best he could that night. He tried throwing bombs and it failed. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing and obviously Haye would try a different strategy if it happened again.

I know a lot of people are disapointed with the result or with the fight itself, but surely Haye was just beaten by the better man, fair and square.

Yep Haye was beaten by the better man simple as that.
I think if Haye had been more assertive he would of got knocked out.
They could fight ten times and Haye wouldnt win any.

Not sure he did

Never thought I'd see Haye settle for a moral victory in going twelve rounds. It was Kevin Johnson-esque

lefthook82 wrote:Not sure he did

Never thought I'd see Haye settle for a moral victory in going twelve rounds. It was Kevin Johnson-esque

It was nothing like Johnson. Right until the final bell, Haye was looking to find his way in to land a bomb.

keithmoonhangover wrote:Right until the final bell, Haye was looking to find his way in to land a bomb.

The problem is he did a whole lot of looking and not a lot of punching

He felt the strength of klit and didnt fancy it. I think its as simple as that.
Took the odd chance in the hope of landing but had a reality check

I thought Haye gave a good account of himself, despite not boxing to the best of his ability.He made the big man miss plenty, took his powerful shots really well, and was trying to lure him in, and actually managed to hurt him a bit in the last round.

I beleive the foot injury.When you injure a foot it is very hard to concentrate on anything else, as weird as that sounds.

Wlad boxed extremely well: he was patient, very accurate and applied constant pressure to make Haye fight at his pace.He also leant on him and threw him round a bit, which would have tired him out, as it would anyone getting chucked about by a 17 and a half stone man.

I thought there is no shame in losing to Wladimir Klitschko in Germany on that kind of form.Because of his caution, size and reflexes he is now a very difficult man to beat.

I read a nasty article on Haye in the Telegraph this morning (not my paper of choice) where it said Haye is now a diminished figure.Well, if unifying the cruiserweight division, beating some big(gish) names at heavyweight (winning a title in the process) and losing over 12 in a super event and earningy handsomely in the process, constitutes being a diminished figure then I want to be one too.

Some of the journalists seem to delight in kicking someone when they are down.

big lennox wrote:I thought Haye gave a good account of himself, despite not boxing to the best of his ability.He made the big man miss plenty, took his powerful shots really well, and was trying to lure him in, and actually managed to hurt him a bit in the last round.

I beleive the foot injury.When you injure a foot it is very hard to concentrate on anything else, as weird as that sounds.

Wlad boxed extremely well: he was patient, very accurate and applied constant pressure to make Haye fight at his pace.He also leant on him and threw him round a bit, which would have tired him out, as it would anyone getting chucked about by a 17 and a half stone man.

I thought there is no shame in losing to Wladimir Klitschko in Germany on that kind of form.Because of his caution, size and reflexes he is now a very difficult man to beat.

I read a nasty article on Haye in the Telegraph this morning (not my paper of choice) where it said Haye is now a diminished figure.Well, if unifying the cruiserweight division, beating some big(gish) names at heavyweight (winning a title in the process) and losing over 12 in a super event and earningy handsomely in the process, constitutes a diminished figure then I want to be one too.

Some of the journalists seem to delight in kicking someone when they are down.

Spot on.

big lennox wrote:where it said Haye is now a diminished figure.

It's a relative term though - compared to his stature pre-fight, he is a dimished figure. The post-fight interview in particular is a great example of a PR disaster.

David Haye shouldnt have gone straight for the Klit. If he had teased the Arreola first, he would have enjoyed a more satisfactory climax.

Deserter wrote:

big lennox wrote:where it said Haye is now a diminished figure.

It's a relative term though - compared to his stature pre-fight, he is a dimished figure. The post-fight interview in particular is a great example of a PR disaster.

I know what you are saying, but the telegraph piece makes out that he was just a pretender and never was, which is not the case.Is Nadal suddenly an over-rated player because he lost to Dokjovic?

I agree Haye did his best. He made Wlad miss time and time again, but he couldn't make him pay. The people saying he didn't try are just trying to punish him because they've lost face by predicting him to win. He made Wlad miss like an idiot round after round, landed a few bombs and gave Wlad a "pizza face", without getting one himself, as Klitschko had promised. He also didn't run, he stood against the ropes for extended periods, using amazing reflexes to avoid punches. As disappointing as the result was, I think Haye has a lot to be proud of.

Haye did as well as he possibly could have with the tools he has,
Nothing he has done since moving upto heavyweight suggested he would beat a top heavyweight and like
all the Klitshkos oppopnents froze when he got in there which in turn makes the Klitschkos look even
more robotic chasing a reluctant guy.
Its not like he has Tyson type handspeed and power or Holyfields combination puching to make his style work against a bigger guy like Wlad or Vitalli.

nobby_nobbins wrote:I agree Haye did his best. He made Wlad miss time and time again, but he couldn't make him pay. The people saying he didn't try are just trying to punish him because they've lost face by predicting him to win. He made Wlad miss like an idiot round after round, landed a few bombs and gave Wlad a "pizza face", without getting one himself, as Klitschko had promised. He also didn't run, he stood against the ropes for extended periods, using amazing reflexes to avoid punches. As disappointing as the result was, I think Haye has a lot to be proud of.

I agree

nobby_nobbins wrote:I agree Haye did his best. He made Wlad miss time and time again, but he couldn't make him pay. The people saying he didn't try are just trying to punish him because they've lost face by predicting him to win. He made Wlad miss like an idiot round after round, landed a few bombs and gave Wlad a "pizza face", without getting one himself, as Klitschko had promised. He also didn't run, he stood against the ropes for extended periods, using amazing reflexes to avoid punches. As disappointing as the result was, I think Haye has a lot to be proud of.

Brilliant post mate

nobby_nobbins wrote:I agree Haye did his best. He made Wlad miss time and time again, but he couldn't make him pay. The people saying he didn't try are just trying to punish him because they've lost face by predicting him to win. He made Wlad miss like an idiot round after round, landed a few bombs and gave Wlad a "pizza face", without getting one himself, as Klitschko had promised. He also didn't run, he stood against the ropes for extended periods, using amazing reflexes to avoid punches. As disappointing as the result was, I think Haye has a lot to be proud of.

I predicted all along he would lose, read my posts, but I'm still having a pop at him as I dont think he tried anywhere near hard enough for what he was paid.

I think he has little to be proud of, I entirely disagree.

Compare Danny Williams effort against Vitali, totally hapless but he would have walked through fire to try and win.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

nobby_nobbins wrote:I agree Haye did his best. He made Wlad miss time and time again, but he couldn't make him pay. The people saying he didn't try are just trying to punish him because they've lost face by predicting him to win. He made Wlad miss like an idiot round after round, landed a few bombs and gave Wlad a "pizza face", without getting one himself, as Klitschko had promised. He also didn't run, he stood against the ropes for extended periods, using amazing reflexes to avoid punches. As disappointing as the result was, I think Haye has a lot to be proud of.

I predicted all along he would lose, read my posts, but I'm still having a pop at him as I dont think he tried anywhere near hard enough for what he was paid.

I think he has little to be proud of, I entirely disagree.

Compare Danny Williams effort against Vitali, totally hapless but he would have walked through fire to try and win.

But what else are you suggesting he tried? It's not like he spent the whole fight dancing around the ring like Andre Dirrell. Haye is a fine, in and out, raiding fighter, but I honestly don't think he's any good, even at his best, of mounting a sustained assault. Sounds like you wanted him to get knocked out just for the sake of it?

nobby_nobbins wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

nobby_nobbins wrote:I agree Haye did his best. He made Wlad miss time and time again, but he couldn't make him pay. The people saying he didn't try are just trying to punish him because they've lost face by predicting him to win. He made Wlad miss like an idiot round after round, landed a few bombs and gave Wlad a "pizza face", without getting one himself, as Klitschko had promised. He also didn't run, he stood against the ropes for extended periods, using amazing reflexes to avoid punches. As disappointing as the result was, I think Haye has a lot to be proud of.

I predicted all along he would lose, read my posts, but I'm still having a pop at him as I dont think he tried anywhere near hard enough for what he was paid.

I think he has little to be proud of, I entirely disagree.

Compare Danny Williams effort against Vitali, totally hapless but he would have walked through fire to try and win.

But what else are you suggesting he tried? It's not like he spent the whole fight dancing around the ring like Andre Dirrell. Haye is a fine, in and out, raiding fighter, but I honestly don't think he's any good, even at his best, of mounting a sustained assault. Sounds like you wanted him to get knocked out just for the sake of it?

I think a few people on here wanted him to get knocked out. Some were predicting Haye's legs buckling from the first jab.

nobby_nobbins wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

nobby_nobbins wrote:I agree Haye did his best. He made Wlad miss time and time again, but he couldn't make him pay. The people saying he didn't try are just trying to punish him because they've lost face by predicting him to win. He made Wlad miss like an idiot round after round, landed a few bombs and gave Wlad a "pizza face", without getting one himself, as Klitschko had promised. He also didn't run, he stood against the ropes for extended periods, using amazing reflexes to avoid punches. As disappointing as the result was, I think Haye has a lot to be proud of.

I predicted all along he would lose, read my posts, but I'm still having a pop at him as I dont think he tried anywhere near hard enough for what he was paid.

I think he has little to be proud of, I entirely disagree.

Compare Danny Williams effort against Vitali, totally hapless but he would have walked through fire to try and win.

But what else are you suggesting he tried? It's not like he spent the whole fight dancing around the ring like Andre Dirrell. Haye is a fine, in and out, raiding fighter, but I honestly don't think he's any good, even at his best, of mounting a sustained assault. Sounds like you wanted him to get knocked out just for the sake of it?

I wanted to see him look like would do anything to win. He needed to try and rush Wlad from the opening bell, in fact that is precisely what he said he would do. Instead he tried to fight a taller man with a longer reach at range!

If it seems I'm being Harsh, well I am, but Haye brought this on himself by the manner in which he sold the fight.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

nobby_nobbins wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: I predicted all along he would lose, read my posts, but I'm still having a pop at him as I dont think he tried anywhere near hard enough for what he was paid.

I think he has little to be proud of, I entirely disagree.

Compare Danny Williams effort against Vitali, totally hapless but he would have walked through fire to try and win.

But what else are you suggesting he tried? It's not like he spent the whole fight dancing around the ring like Andre Dirrell. Haye is a fine, in and out, raiding fighter, but I honestly don't think he's any good, even at his best, of mounting a sustained assault. Sounds like you wanted him to get knocked out just for the sake of it?

I wanted to see him look like would do anything to win. He needed to try and rush Wlad from the opening bell, in fact that is precisely what he said he would do. Instead he tried to fight a taller man with a longer reach at range!

If it seems I'm being Harsh, well I am, but Haye brought this on himself by the manner in which he sold the fight.

Are you still getting over the fact that your parents lied to you about Santa Claus being real?

Seriously how long have you followed boxing for, i take it for many years yet you're complaining over things that were said pre-fight and obviously mostly for Hype.

Haye is an 'Ambush fighter' and fought exactly how i expected which was to fight from a distance and wait for his opponent to make a mistake and catch him with a big punch and then follow up with an all out attack, unfortunately for him he didn't have that moment till the 12th rd by which time he just didn't have the energy or time to really go for it. Did you really expect him to just rush out from the opening bell and start throwing hayemakers haha he would have been KTFO inside 1 minute doing that.

not once did i see haye duck adn weave to get close to klitschko and get under his jab, klitschko is not unique in this one step back and lean back style, its quite commonplace in european fighters, tino hoffman used to do it, vitali does it and george kandelaki used to do it.

the only secret is that when they take one step back then you must take 2 or 3 steps forward before you unload.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

nobby_nobbins wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: I predicted all along he would lose, read my posts, but I'm still having a pop at him as I dont think he tried anywhere near hard enough for what he was paid.

I think he has little to be proud of, I entirely disagree.

Compare Danny Williams effort against Vitali, totally hapless but he would have walked through fire to try and win.

But what else are you suggesting he tried? It's not like he spent the whole fight dancing around the ring like Andre Dirrell. Haye is a fine, in and out, raiding fighter, but I honestly don't think he's any good, even at his best, of mounting a sustained assault. Sounds like you wanted him to get knocked out just for the sake of it?

I wanted to see him look like would do anything to win. He needed to try and rush Wlad from the opening bell, in fact that is precisely what he said he would do. Instead he tried to fight a taller man with a longer reach at range!

If it seems I'm being Harsh, well I am, but Haye brought this on himself by the manner in which he sold the fight.

This.

x3

Spiker wrote:He felt the strength of klit and didnt fancy it. I think its as simple as that.
Took the odd chance in the hope of landing but had a reality check

I agree with this.

The difference in physical strength was so vast that any thoughts Haye had about mixing it evaporated the first time Wladimir pushed him to the ground with nonchalant ease.

rhino222 wrote:not once did i see haye duck adn weave to get close to klitschko and get under his jab, klitschko is not unique in this one step back and lean back style, its quite commonplace in european fighters, tino hoffman used to do it, vitali does it and george kandelaki used to do it.

the only secret is that when they take one step back then you must take 2 or 3 steps forward before you unload.

You make it sound so easy Rhino.